Prime Tyson vs Prime Wlad - Who wins?

[chav]

prime tyson destroys Wlad in 2 rounds, KO and easily like he would KO Haye. not sure he would KO vitali that easily though, those 2 in a scrap would have been great TV!

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Anyone who picked Wlad is a moron. Wlad is nothing and has nothing to beat Tyson with.

[yessuh]

Either Klitschko DESTROYS the overrated one dimensional mentally weak midget Tyson.

[hweightblogger]

well thats not entirely fair. Spinks was undefeated and a decent fighter once upon a time.

Exactly my words. During a short moment in time Spinks had a winning streak. Other than that he is a bum. It should be below your dignity to argue for a 26-17 bum with a 30% KOratio.

if Vitali or Wladimir lost 5 times in a row when they were past their prime, would that discredit how good they were at their best?

Check Spinks' record. He was losing his entire career. His longest streak was 5 wins in a row.

although top 10s are subjective, they give a MUCH more realistic picture of the state of the division than records do.

I utterly disagree. David Haye is now #4 heavyweight. You know very well that should Haye lose against Wladimir he won't be within the top 50 of best heavyweights ever by having beaten Ruiz, Valuev and Harrison. It's the whole record that counts, not some momentary subjective snapshot.

I mean, what do you consider bum and not bum? how are you ranking these guys?

A top fighter is a fighter who beats other top fighters.
The more he beats the topper he is.
The more convincingly he beats them (KOratio etc) the topper he is.
But that's not the topic of this thread.

schooled by Cooper and Banks? other than getting quicky dropped, he dominated both fights

That he won in the end is irrelevant for this thread, as you can see by the fact that Puritty usually didn't win but has the hardest chin nevertheless.

and Cooper wasnt a weak puncher by any means...if you watch his fights, although he wasnt the best fighter, he could really punch.

1) He could punch like a 188 lbs guy can punch.
2) Cooper is a featherfist. Don't convert Cooper into a power puncher. He has a KOratio similar to Chris Byrd. Cooper not once fought at 200+ lbs.
3) You make the typical mistake of watching some signature fights (or highlight punches). The whole record counts.

Chuvalo had the fight stopped against him, and he was still on his feet against Foreman after eating flush bomb after flush bomb.

Doesn't change the fact that Ross Puritty survived 60 rounds against heavy hitters whereas Chuvalo survived only a fraction of that time.

Foreman's power was huge.

Foreman's power LOOKED HUGE for the same reason Tyson's power looked huge: Because Foreman was KOing bums and cruisers at the beginning of his career:

At bout (since you are a fan of a momentary snapshot at bout instead of the career) when Foreman met Chuvalo Foreman's record was:
18 KOs, 3 dec
3.6 rounds per KO (that's good but Wlad and Tyson were better)
Median KOvictim: 197 lbs (yawn).
Foreman's heavyweight record (= 200+ opponents) at bout was 7-0
Foreman until that point KOed ONLY bums and cruisers.

You see, your reproach is typical ("It's the quality not the quantity") yet when I start to analyze my opinions and the reproachers' opinions then it always turns out that actually _I_ am the one who checks the quality whereas the reproachers have opinions based on quantity and signature bouts. I dissected this in my blog already on the "Typical reproaches page" and the "Toplist #1 page".

Even at 45 years old he still KOed the lineal HW champ with a single punch.

Foreman is one of the toppest KOers of all time. 1 or 2 leagues below Klitschko (both in terms of quantity and quality) but nevertheless.

Imagine how hard he hit in his prime.

Foreman vs Chuvalo was Foreman's pre-prime. Foreman didn't box in his prime.

and Chuvalo took multiple of those shots flush without going down.

Chuvalo has a hard chin, noone doubts that.

Puritty was KOed by a bum at 23 years old, which was probably near his physical prime.

You are again reverting to an exceptional fight. With that same logic I could argue that Rahman is > Lennox because of that one fight.

[2Fast]

After Haye knocks Wlads head off I will bump this thread.

Tyson Kills Wlad inside 2 rounds

[2Fast]

I have noticed that Wlad always loses polls. He must be one of the most pathetic HW champs of all time.

[hweightblogger]

Prime and wasnt experienced tyson destroyed berbick, thomas and HOLMES.
and if wlad get KO by speedy like corrie sanders so how he can last 3 round again speed demon like tyson.
STYLE MAKE FIGHT

What is this infantile logic? "If Rahman can KO Lennox how can Lennox KO Rahman?"

Moreover Sanders is a tall southpaw.

Moreover why don't you start your logic with "If Buster could KO Tyson how can Tyson survive Wlad?"

[2Fast]

This **** is really pathetic . only 20 % voted for Wlad.

[Money Shot]

Current Wlad would KTFO any version of Tyson after 1989 and you all know it.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Current Wlad would KTFO any version of Tyson after 1989 and you all know it.

I agree, but if you put them together at their best, Tyson takes it easily.