Comments Thread For: Lamon Brewster Reveals How He Beat Wladimir Klitschko

[BrooklynBomber]

I have seen many HWs able to fight on the inside very effectively.

that whole 'theres too much of you to be hit'...thats the point, isnt it? both brothers are big, and are relatively easy to hit. fact is they dont even attempt to punch on the inside, and if a fighter is willing and skilled enough to rough them up in there then theyre gonna have some problems.

There is no way you can possibly say that Brewster was better in the 2nd fight than the first one. You cant.

I will start with your last point, up until the end of round 4 brewster did completely nothing but absorb punishment. He maybe landed a couple of bodyshots, but that is it. Brewster landed 70 punches in total against Wladimir in the second fight.


As for your first point, a fighter who will always try to cut the distance will on average, be hit more then the fighter who will try to keep the distance. There is really no other way around, and you will notice that out of all the great inside fighters at heavy -- Frazier, Holyfield, Bowe even Toney are punch drunk. Simply because they spend more time absorbing the punishment then the guys who fight on outside. The squared up stance that is usually attributed to guys who fight on the inside provides more area of the body and the head to be hit. Moreover, unlike the guys who fight on the outside, they cant clinch inside as much, because inside guys will be taking more offensive maneuvre away from themselves, so outside fighters are really always at an advantage.

[Steak]

Can you name me one HW that is a 6'6"+ HW that fights on the inside? Name me one guy. And I am not talking the occasional uppercut here and there (because then I can claim Wlad has a great upper-cut based on his 2nd fight with Peter and his earlier fights), I am talking about their preferred style.

I dont get it, why do they have to be 6'6? the whole point is that infighters are supposed to be shorter and stockier, so that their shorter punches gain momentum and power quick in close quarters. in that case being shorter or having shorter reach is an advantage. also less of a targer to hit.

regardless, Bowe was a very good infighter, and he was 6'5 or so. not quite 6'6, but close enough, he was a big bastard.

[Steak]

I will start with your last point, up until the end of round 4 brewster did completely nothing but absorb punishment. He maybe landed a couple of bodyshots, but that is it. Brewster landed 70 punches in total against Wladimir in the second fight.

You and I both know that Brewster was landing powderpuff punches in the rematch, as opposed to the first fight where he actually threw powerful punches. hell, he showed more power and drive in the first 10 seconds of the first fight than he did in the rematch.

apart from the fact that Brewster was coming off a long layoff, eye surgery, and a damaging loss, he looked like crap in the fight. how is this even up for debate? Who gives a damn about punchstats when Brewster KOed Wladimir in the first fight?

yes, he took a bad beating the first fight, but the fact is his pressure still ended up exhausting Wladimir. A fluke? probably. but it still was a legitimate win caused by Brewster's pressure.

As for your first point, a fighter who will always try to cut the distance will on average, be hit more then the fighter who will try to keep the distance. There is really no other way around, and you will notice that out of all the great inside fighters at heavy -- Frazier, Holyfield, Bowe even Toney are punch drunk. Simply because they spend more time absorbing the punishment then the guys who fight on outside. The squared up stance that is usually attributed to guys who fight on the inside provides more area of the body and the head to be hit. Moreover, unlike the guys who fight on the outside, they cant clinch inside as much, because inside guys will be taking more offensive maneuvre away from themselves, so outside fighters are really always at an advantage.

How much damage they take in their entire career is irrelevant in terms of winning single matches.
And you and I both know that there are punch drunk fighters of all styles. What about Benitez and Whitaker, for example? Or Ali?

and outside fighters are not at an advantage on the inside, obviously. and you already said it yourself: you take punishment quickly on the inside, because theres no where to run. Thats what you want if youre an infighter. Someone like Wladimir who will do virtually nothing but hold on the inside could get ravaged to the body by a very good infighter while hes trying to grab them.
Boxing is full of circumstances where the infighter could crowd and beat the outfighter, do I really have to start explaining basic boxing 101? it makes no difference if theyre heavyweights, thats been shown throughout boxing history too.

[BrooklynBomber]

You and I both know that Brewster was landing powderpuff punches in the rematch, as opposed to the first fight where he actually threw powerful punches. hell, he showed more power and drive in the first 10 seconds of the first fight than he did in the rematch.

apart from the fact that Brewster was coming off a long layoff, eye surgery, and a damaging loss, he looked like crap in the fight. how is this even up for debate? Who gives a damn about punchstats when Brewster KOed Wladimir in the first fight?

yes, he took a bad beating the first fight, but the fact is his pressure still ended up exhausting Wladimir. A fluke? probably. but it still was a legitimate win caused by Brewster's pressure.

How much damage they take in their entire career is irrelevant in terms of winning single matches.
And you and I both know that there are punch drunk fighters of all styles. What about Benitez and Whitaker, for example? Or Ali?

and outside fighters are not at an advantage on the inside, obviously. and you already said it yourself: you take punishment quickly on the inside, because theres no where to run. Thats what you want if youre an infighter. Someone like Wladimir who will do virtually nothing but hold on the inside could get ravaged to the body by a very good infighter while hes trying to grab them.
Boxing is full of circumstances where the infighter could crowd and beat the outfighter, do I really have to start explaining basic boxing 101? it makes no difference if theyre heavyweights, thats been shown throughout boxing history too.

First of all, it makes all the difference at heavyweight. Midgits are nothing like heavies, You cant bully a guy who is much bigger and stronger then you, real life does not work that way, neither is boxing. No matter the mythical boxing 101 that you brought.
Secondly, what Wlad does on the inside is much tricker to deal with then you could think seeing from the screen of your computer. He ties up your hands and leans on you. Try infighting from that position, when you are on your backfoot trying to mangle off 250 pounds of live weight and I will tell you that if you are not at least 50 pounds heavier you are not going anywhere.
You could see the difference with Eddie Chambers vs Dmitrenko and eddie chambers vs wlad, Eddie landed at will against Dmitrenko who tried to square up and clinch and landed virtually nothing against Wlad who clinched when he felt like it.
Third point is that punching on the inside helped virtually no one, and I mean no one against either Klitschko, I would like you to bring up examples.

And as for Brewster, all you bring up is a speculation, Brewster landed nothing of importance up until round 4, if my memory serves me right, somewhere around 36 punches, yet he managed to land twice as much in his worse performance. So, how is that logical? If you call getting your face bashed in effective pressure then really, we have nothing to talk about.

[Feldscher]

...apart from the fact that Brewster was coming off a long layoff, eye surgery...

In this case your statement works both ways. I’m not in favor of any conspiracy theories and I’m not saying that Wlad was poisoned by Don King, compromised by his cutman or shot with radiation cannon from a black helicopter. However, it’s been confirmed medically that his insulin level was very high immediately after the fight. Hypoglycemia is an acute medical condition with symptoms of shakiness, anxiety, severe weakness, confusion and dizziness. Oddly, this pretty much sums up Wlad’s condition before the KO. All it takes is a drop of blood sugar level from 80mg/dl to 60-50mg/dl. And no, you can not bottom out someone’s blood sugar by using a good foot work, fighting on the inside or studying the tapes. The win over a highly medically compromised opponent is hardly anything to brag about.

[Tiozzo]

Man - you are such a pathetic little hater. Chambers was plenty agrressive in the first fight when he was picking up Wlad and slamming him down on the canvas, until Wlad caught him in the second and showed him that he wasn't playing around, that's when Chambers started running for his life. Don't worry though, Chambers will probably get a 2nd chance to "be more aggresive", I just hope that no idiot haters like you come out and say "he just needed to be aggressive" again.

Do you and your fellow Klitschko haters realize that is the excuse you all use for EVERY time the Kltischkos beat down their opponent? Even for those opponents that are supposed to be "aggressive" and "pressure fighters", you still say "well they weren't aggressive". Do you know why? What's the common demoninator in all those fights? I'll give you hint, their name starts with a "K" and ends with and "O". The Klitschkos are just that good, they shut down every fighter they face, they fight the best but they are so good, no one can beat them. Sure they have slip-ups, just like any ATG in history, save for Marcianno, but on their good night, no one can beat them.

all I was saying is that you need to be aggressive to beat a Klitschko, especially if you're outsized by a large margin

even an aggressive Chambers doesn't have the punch to trouble Wlad, so you have no point there

all I'm saying is that you can't outbox those guys, they have never lost a decision, but they have 5 losses

Chagaev, Ibragimov, these guys had a decent punch, and they ******ly elected to stay outside

[Jim Jeffries]

Wlad was tired and hurt towards the end of the first Brewster fight, but he was hit after the bell by a solid left hook. It's my opinion that he should've been given the minute to recover.

[Tiozzo]

Its a little known fact, but Brewster landed more punches per round(and overall) in the second fight, then in first. Thats how shit he was in the first fight.
The whole "you gotta beat him on the inside" thing is a myth, inside fighting, especially in HW is probably one of the biggest myths, big guys can not fight on the inside antropologically, there is way too much of them to be hit or held when they are upclose. Mid range and long distance is where it is fought.Its easy to be slick when you are 5.8, but when you are 6.3 and up there are just not enough shoulders, elbows and forearms to defend yourself.


If inside fighting was indeed the answer to be the best heavyweight, our heavyweight would mostly be inside fighters.

you are right in the sense that it is more about getting inside the reach of the bros than fighting inside a la Frazier. But you are not totally right, 6'5 Bowe was a very good inside fighter, and there have been a couple other examples.

You have to get inside of Wlad's reach because then you are in your own reach zone and you can work. Staying outside of that reach getting peppered by that jab is ******ed.

Don't forget Wlad does all he can to prevent inside fighting, and that is clinching, holding and leaning on his opponent.

[Tiozzo]

Exactly, you use the tools that God gave you. Why would Lennox, Vitaly, and Wlad fight like Tyson? Are they 5"10" with short little dinosaur arms? No, they are 6'6"+ with long arms, therefore they fight accordingly and fight off the jab. People are just ****** when they expect Wlad and Vitaly to let shorters guys get inside so that they can show off their uppercut or "inside skills". Why would they do that when they can just get them coming in with the jab and a right cross?

that's precisely why their opponents must get inside, punch the body, rough them up

I'm not asking the bros to fight inside, I'm asking their opponents to do it

[Money Shot]

Wlad was tired and hurt towards the end of the first Brewster fight, but he was hit after the bell by a solid left hook. It's my opinion that he should've been given the minute to recover.

Mine too, but he's a completely different fighter and improved in every area since that fight. He would smash that Brewster today and Corrie Sanders, and most definitely Ross the Boss! None of them are in his league.