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    #11
    Originally posted by -Tunney-
    Shumenov fought for the title away from Kazakhstan, Ward never takes on a decent opponent outside Oakland where his crooked home refs let him headbutt and otherwise cheat as much as he likes.

    I wish Shumenov-Braehmer would have went off.

    Ward's got a pretty good resume so he's night a paper champ.

    I can't believe no one has taken Bundrage's title yet. That guy sucks.

    But he did win it legit.

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    • figzuki
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      #12
      Originally posted by [KLTP] -Kirby-
      He won the title on a catchweight and he's also unwilling to defend his title against Martinez who already said he'd go down to 154 and fight him. If that isn't a paper champion, I don't know what is.
      Martinez is a full blown middleweight fool what the hell is wrong with you, why doesn't Marquez fight Mayweather again? dummy...

      who at 154 or 147 is smaller than Pac? let me know...

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      • crold1
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        #13
        Originally posted by jreckoning
        I wish Shumenov-Braehmer would have went off.

        Ward's got a pretty good resume so he's night a paper champ.

        I can't believe no one has taken Bundrage's title yet. That guy sucks.

        But he did win it legit.
        If you haven't proven to be THE champ, you're paper. Ward is a tourney win and Bute away from being THE...ain't there yet.

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        • Shadows
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          #14
          Originally posted by -Tunney-
          Shumenov fought away from Kazakhstan, Ward never takes on a decent opponent outside Oakland where his crooked home refs let him headbutt and otherwise cheat as much as he likes.
          Your bias is hilarious.

          The funny thing is, Shumenov was the beneficiary of the biggest robbery of 2010. I'm pretty sure that you think Alexander is a paper champion due to the Kotelnik fight, yet you don't consider Shumenov one when the decision in his second fight with Campillo was far worse than the one in Alexander-Kotelnik.

          Ward has never needed such judging and thoroughly kicked Kessler's ass.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Shadows
            Ward has never needed such judging and thoroughly kicked Kessler's ass.
            With an honest and fair referee, Ward would have lost by disqualification because of the deliberate headbutt that ended the fight.

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            • Bushbaby
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              #16
              Pacman's 154lb title was completely manufactured & probably the most worthless title match that I can think of,honestly.Alexander shouldn't be up there,he's unified 140.

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                #17
                Originally posted by -Tunney-
                With an honest and fair referee, Ward would have lost by disqualification because of the deliberate headbutt that ended the fight.

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                • V.WEBB
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Shadows
                  Your bias is hilarious.

                  The funny thing is, Shumenov was the beneficiary of the biggest robbery of 2010. I'm pretty sure that you think Alexander is a paper champion due to the Kotelnik fight, yet you don't consider Shumenov one when the decision in his second fight with Campillo was far worse than the one in Alexander-Kotelnik.

                  Ward has never needed such judging and thoroughly kicked Kessler's ass.
                  Yea, I don't know why so many people can't get over this. And yes, his bias is hilarious.

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                  • crold1
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by -Tunney-
                    With an honest and fair referee, Ward would have lost by disqualification because of the deliberate headbutt that ended the fight.
                    To be fair, if Kessler, who I have long admired, had the foggiest notion about how to fight on the inside, it might not have come to that.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Shadows
                      Your bias is hilarious.

                      The funny thing is, Shumenov was the beneficiary of the biggest robbery of 2010. I'm pretty sure that you think Alexander is a paper champion due to the Kotelnik fight, yet you don't consider Shumenov one when the decision in his second fight with Campillo was far worse than the one in Alexander-Kotelnik.

                      Ward has never needed such judging and thoroughly kicked Kessler's ass.
                      bolded for truth.

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