Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: There is No Doubt Mayweather Beats Pacquiao

[GRUSTLER]

If you believe that in your heart, then we gotta move on
people. Forget about this Pac-Mayweather thing and focus
on other fighters for Floyd.

Amir Khan, Berto, Alexander-Bradley winner would all be
legitimate options for Floyd. There is no Arum to deal with.
I just don't get why you keep focusing on Pac when your
only attention is on blaming Pac. It makes everyone wonder
if you're really interested in this fight or just interested in
finding fault.

My sig is promoting Bradley and Alexander and before that Martinez.
I've been willing to move on but this topic and debate is on going
because Pac side is not shutting up about it. Now Oscar has something
to say about. The only and main person that is not saying anything
is Floyd but people think he is scared. It's a dead issue until the fight
happens (if it ever does) all I'm saying is that, Mayweather was
made to look like he didn't want the fight but that is not the case
or fair because I've been follwing everything with an open mind.
The facts are right there and when I post them, nobody pays attention
to them and just go back to "Floyd is scared" while Arum, Roach and
Pac have been saying some of the most truthful and revealing things
but still Pac fans don't want to listen to it. It's all out there in
the open. I'm trying to make people see it so we can get over
this hump because it ain't helping nothing.

[hitking]

Pac avoided Mosley when Mosley was the man to beat at WW and that
is a a fact. Roach said Floyd was scared of Mosley and would never
fight him and Floyd di and dominated him. Roach was nervous of
Mosley, even said he was too good to fight Pac even at a catchweight.
Manny has been avoiding the real challenges. If Roach was willing
to have Pac not fight Mosley when it counted, then why should
I believe that Roach and Arum want Pac to fight Floyd who dominated
Mosley? A guy that Roach wanted nothing to do with at any cost?
I'm not buying your logic.

I also beleive that they avoided Mosley following the Margarito destruction. But, fighting Cotto gave them a helluva out because not only was Cotto a bigger draw. But, Cotto beat Mosley. I'm with you, I don't think Team Pacquaio is as eager to mix with Mayweather as they have their worshipers believing. That said, I don't think Mayweather is overly eager to mix with Pac. I could eb wrong. But, I don't see this as being an either-or problem. I think both sides are equally guilty.

[Supreme75]

If you believe that in your heart, then we gotta move on
people. Forget about this Pac-Mayweather thing and focus
on other fighters for Floyd.

Amir Khan, Berto, Alexander-Bradley winner would all be
legitimate options for Floyd. There is no Arum to deal with.
I just don't get why you keep focusing on Pac when your
only attention is on blaming Pac. It makes everyone wonder
if you're really interested in this fight or just interested in
finding fault.

Agreed. These people defending Floyd kill me. Ok fine, you can say Pac is ducking OST, yada, yada, yada. But who is Floyd going to fight next?

Assuming he is still hiding behind this OST **** with Pac, then who? How about Martinez? How about Paul Williams? How about Cotto? How about Berto?

At least Pac is busy fighting, no matter who it is. This dude ya'll keep defending, ain't even fighting right now!! He is about to fighting to keep them inmates off his ass.

[ThePrince]

Dude, all Pac said is, "I accepted their demands." He never said anything about no cutoffs. He never said anything about testing between rounds. All he said was he accepted the demands. We all know that he accepted the 14 days that the mediation deemed acceptable the first time around and later went down to 7. Go on believing what you want and I'll go on believing what I want. And that is I don't think either camp is overly eager to fight the other. I don't think either is scared. But, I think Mayweather would rather not fight anyone and I think Pac is perfectly satisfied making $20M fight no one.

Did you even read the quotes and watch the links I wasted my time posting for you?

And obviously the giving blood in between rounds part was hyperbole to drive home the point that whatever amount of blood Count Floyd wanted, he could've had it, but instead he went on 'vacation'.

[GRUSTLER]

I know you're a Mayweather fan, and so am I. But, you can't just look at it from Mayweather's side of the coin. Mayweather is a phenom. And no one knows it better than Team Pacquaio. Mayweather-Pacquaio has been my dream fight for nearly a decade. I was calling for it when Money was the welter champ and Pac was at 130. And I was blasted on forums like this one for mentioning it because of how laughable a mismatch it was seen as. And just because the Pacquaio hype machine is in overdrive doesn't mean real fight people don't remember how laughable a mismatch this would have been seen as not too long ago. So no, I don't have a problem with Pac and crew not wanting to deal with Mayweather four months after busting his eardrum against Cotto. I have a problem with the excuses given. But, I also have an issue with Mayweather fighting once a year. Its understandable for someone who generates the money he does and has the health issues he does. But still, it annoys me. So even though I was annoyed at Team Pacquaio's stance, I understood it.

Doesnb't have to be because I'm a Mayweather fan or not.
All it is is about the truth.......

If this doesn't say it all about Bob Arum's intentions on making this fight. I don't know what will.

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Arum also indicated he would like Pacquiao to get through the Hatton fight before going up against Mayweather saying“I want Mayweather to stay there (in retirement) until September. The longer he’s out the more rusty he’ll be."

December 16th 2008

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17506

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"It's not so much that I give a damn whether
this fight happens-- I don't -- and for me it's not the greatest experience doing a promotion with Floyd Mayweather," Arum said. "But not to do this fight
would slow down the momentum of boxing."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4672323

This is enough proof for me to back up my posts.

[hitking]

Did you even read the quotes and watch the links I wasted my time posting for you?

And obviously the giving blood in between rounds part was hyperbole to drive home the point that whatever amount of blood Count Floyd wanted, he could've had it, but instead he went on 'vacation'.

I read every link you put up. But, I still stand by Michael Kontz coming out on 24/7, after all of these so-called quotes were released, and saying that they agreed to everything up to 7 days before the fight. Its OK to have quotes. But you have to also look at timelines. Kotnz revalation came after all of these quotes you posted. And, there's been no statements from the Pacquaio camp saying Kontz statements were false. That leads me to believe that they agreed to everything up to 7 days. Like I said, I live in reality. If you want to reside in fantasy land, that's on you. But personally, the notion that any professional fighter (most of whom started fighting when they were about 5 years old) is scared to box another is silly.

[hitking]

Doesnb't have to be because I'm a Mayweather fan or not.
All it is is about the truth.......






This is enough proof for me to back up my posts.

Bruh, I agree with most of what you have to say regarding Team Pacquaio. The only thing we disagree on is that you don't seem to feel Mayweather should share any blame and I do.

[GRUSTLER]

I also beleive that they avoided Mosley following the Margarito destruction. But, fighting Cotto gave them a helluva out because not only was Cotto a bigger draw. But, Cotto beat Mosley. I'm with you, I don't think Team Pacquaio is as eager to mix with Mayweather as they have their worshipers believing. That said, I don't think Mayweather is overly eager to mix with Pac. I could eb wrong. But, I don't see this as being an either-or problem. I think both sides are equally guilty.

Cotto did indeed beat Mosley but he wasn't #1 in the WW division
at the time Pac fought him and on top of that. It was at a catchweight.
Cotto and Mosley fought hard to a decision. Margarito beat Cotto
down and Mosley put his foot in Margarito's ass and wore him like a
slipper. Mosley then had, Cotto's title by KO'n the guy that took
Cotto's undefeated record away. Come on man.... Roach wanted
no parts of Shane Mosley........

Roach said that though a “Mosley fight is probably the most exciting because they both like to fight,” it's all about making the fight on even terms.

"I have to protect my fighter,” said Roach, who administered the terms for Pacquiao and Oscar De La Hoya last year. “I spoke to Shane and told him that we would fight him at 142. He said he can’t make that weight.”

Mosley asked why not 147, as Manny/Oscar was set at 147? Roach said that Mosley is not De La Hoya in terms of setting a weight handicap.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...z-mosley-more/

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny, "Roach says. "I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too
good a fighter.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f53/fr...cquiao-1143464

PLEASE people! Stop making me feel like I'm making this **** up!

[hitking]

Agreed. These people defending Floyd kill me. Ok fine, you can say Pac is ducking OST, yada, yada, yada. But who is Floyd going to fight next?

Assuming he is still hiding behind this OST **** with Pac, then who? How about Martinez? How about Paul Williams? How about Cotto? How about Berto?

At least Pac is busy fighting, no matter who it is. This dude ya'll keep defending, ain't even fighting right now!! He is about to fighting to keep them inmates off his ass.

What's worse, not fighting at all, or serving the public diarrhea and telling them its filet mignon?

[ThePrince]

I read every link you put up. But, I still stand by Michael Kontz coming out on 24/7, after all of these so-called quotes were released, and saying that they agreed to everything up to 7 days before the fight. Its OK to have quotes. But you have to also look at timelines. Kotnz revalation came after all of these quotes you posted. And, there's been no statements from the Pacquaio camp saying Kontz statements were false. That leads me to believe that they agreed to everything up to 7 days. Like I said, I live in reality. If you want to reside in fantasy land, that's on you. But personally, the notion that any professional fighter (most of whom started fighting when they were about 5 years old) is scared to box another is silly.

Again, it's Koncz, the same guy who contradicted Roach, Arum, etc and let everyone know that the Joshua Clottey fight was set to be at a catchweight of 144, thus once again proving how integral to and involved he is with Manny's negotiations:

PACQUIAO VS CLOTTEY: Catchweight or no catchweight, that is the question

If you believe that the Manny Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey welterweight championship fight is already a done deal, think again.


Just as when the talks for the fight, set at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium, looked to have a smooth sailing, the March 13 confrontation might, after all, suffer the same fate met by the now aborted Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. bout.

Thanks or no thanks to the seemingly long-prevailing organizational mess up within the Pacquiao camp. While chief trainer Freddie Roach had earlier announced that there won’t be a catchweight limit and the Filipino icon will defend his World Boxing Organization welterweight crown at 147 pounds, Pacquiao’s Canadian adviser Michael Koncz has come up with a different pronouncement.

“There would be no catchweight for the bout. It will be at 147,” Roach told the on theGrind Boxing Radio.

Koncsz, on the other hand, in an interview with Boxing FanHouse, said Pacquiao is fighting the former titleholder at a catchweight 144 pounds.

"That's what the catchweight is for this fight," Koncz told Lem Satterfield of Boxing FanHouse also last Sunday.

This development, another example of the mixed signals coming from the Pacquiao camp, apparently meant that no one, knew, not even Roach, of what Koncz was talking about.
Roach, by way explaining his statement, said Pacquia is already comfortable with fighting at the full welterweight limit of 147 pounds.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-32694.html

So did you take 'Kontz' word for it with the Clottey negotiations too?