Comments Thread For: Andre Berto-Victor Ortiz Reportedly Lowballed By HBO

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I don't know if he is naturally bigger than Berto. I mean Berto has fought as high as MW. I think people forget that. They also forget that Berto fought Dirrell(who is now at 168) in the amateurs. And, I think the fought in the MW division. Berto won but means nothing in the point. The point is that Berto naturally is a big guy. And, naturally IMO bigger than Ortiz.

I don't know if I would call Ortiz a "murderous puncher" that is like a Bob Arum hyperbole statement to me but whatever.

And, what has Ortiz done? Besides proving senior citizens can't beat him and that he can't beat any prime top 10-15 contender? Maybe that is where the Nancy talk comes from perhaps?.

Berto fought Dirrell when they were how old? You do realize that metabolisms slow down as you get older right? I don't think Berto is the bigger guy he just has more muscle mass is all.


As far as everything alse you said I to would agree with you if I downplayed everything!

Even a simplton could see that Ortiz is a big upgrade for Berto compared to his last couple fights. I mean not everyone of his potential opponents can be sure shot Hall Of fame A+ fighters thats not realistic.

[jrosales13]

The logic of some boxingscene posters

Apparently you didn't get the point behind that "logic:

The reading comprehension of some boxing posters

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Ortiz hasnt done **** at ww to deserve a title shot at 147. If this was Berto's first time against a jrww in his first fight at 147 it would be different but the guy has a belt at 147 and is defending it against 140lb guys and cab drivers.

And those 140 pounders are better than 90% of the welterweight division! The talent level really drops off once you get passed Pac,Mosely, and Berto.

[jrosales13]

Berto fought Dirrell when they were how old? You do realize that metabolisms slow down as you get older right? I don't think Berto is the bigger guy he just has more muscle mass is all.


As far as everything alse you said I to would agree with you if I downplayed everything!

Even a simplton could see that Ortiz is a big upgrade for Berto compared to his last couple fights. I mean not everyone of his potential opponents can be sure shot Hall Of fame A+ fighters thats not realistic.

But, even as a pro Berto has fought as high as MW. Ortiz is a big JWW doesn't mean he is the naturally bigger guy. But, if you believe he is so be it.

Downplay what exactly? WTF has he done at JWW let alone at WW? Look at what he has done at JWW, look at all his accomplishments. Look at his great resume(senior citizens and all) Really how is a better opponent than a Quintana?

[jrosales13]

]And those 140 pounders are better than 90% of the welterweight division[/B]! The talent level really drops off once you get passed Pac,Mosely, and Berto.

You can say that about the top tier 140lbers.

But, Ortiz is not a top tier 140lber.

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You can say that about the top tier 140lbers.

But, Ortiz is not a top tier 140lber.

LOL wow spin, spin, spin, downplay, downplay, downplay!

[FloydTBE]

Victor Ortiz, although moving up in weight, is better than the welterweight stiffs that Berto has fought recently...i wouldn't mind this fight

Ortiz maybe better than some of berto's previous opponents but berto would KO ortiz if they fought. ortiz would do ok for 3/4 rounds, but hen when berto starts landing bigger shots, vic will go down n out

[Buffalo]

That is all I needed to hear, you have a good day.

Didn't say better but why do you keep dodging? It's principle not talent skill or anything else fight related. I don't think these fighters should be rewarded for the ridiculous antics. You seem cool with it.

What makes Cintron more deserving?

Keep acting like you know s..t, my man you brought up clottey as a worthy contender..... Before you good day me, tell me why the number 1 contender to the title is less worthy than a swan diver?

Does cintron kick their asses, yes but that doesn't excuse his oscar winning money grab last time out.

You do you though, double standard on different fighters. It's called integrity son.

[Bastian Loc]

And those 140 pounders are better than 90% of the welterweight division! The talent level really drops off once you get passed Pac,Mosely, and Berto.

Steve Forbes and Juan Urango are better than 90% of the WW division?

L M A O.

[Buffalo]

Apparently you didn't get the point behind that "logic:

The reading comprehension of some boxing posters

Tell me about it, Can you believe some don't even comprehend the meaning of don't?