Say what you want about Mayweather's inactivity, but he fights P4P Elites

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Well I disagree.

To nitpick and pretend like Hatton was a much bigger force at 140 than he would've been at 147 is simple nonsense, and doesn't make much sense scientifically.

Hatton has been draining himself for years to get to the 140 limit, if anything he was much healthier and in better fighting shape at 147 than he was at 140. The difference is, better opposition at 147 who were slightly bigger. It wasn't him, it was the opponents.

Now if you wanna argue that beating Hatton at 140 would've been more historically relevant, because Hatton was the 140 Champion, then you have a point.

But physically, Floyd beat a much better Hatton at 147 than he would've at 140.

Hatton had no business at 147. Hatton was a much better force at 140, part of his style was to bully his opponents physically. He was almost completely ineffective.

[Cash Cow]

Hatton had no business at 147. Hatton was a much better force at 140, part of his style was to bully his opponents physically. He was almost completely ineffective.

Hatton did better than vs Collazo than Berto...and he was a 140lber...

relax

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So by that mentality, Marvin Hagler fought a bunch of guys who did nothing at Middleweight. While great (Duran, Hearns), they were irrelevant at 160 right?

And he lost to a Sugar Ray Leonard who not only did nothing at 160 but did nothing at all in boxing for years.

Congratulations, you just shat on a huge percentage of Hagler's resume.


P.S. I could give plenty of examples of smaller great fighters moving up to face bigger great fighters to dispose that silly little argument. The notion that you only get credit if you face natural contenders of your present weight class is ridiculous.

People always bring up the Hagler argument. It fails when you note that those guys went on to prove their effectiveness at higher weights. Hatton, JMM and some of the name guys on Hopkins' resume never did.

[cupocity303]

Hatton had no business at 147. Hatton was a much better force at 140, part of his style was to bully his opponents physically. He was almost completely ineffective.

That doesn't take away the fact that he was physically a much better Hatton at 147 than he was at 140. He drained himself more to make those extra 7 pounds.

But yes we agree, the difference was THE OPPONENTS. He didn't have the skills needed to compete in more than one weight class. However Floyd wasn't a monster at 147. Hatton made his debut at 140 when Floyd was still at 130-135, so weight was irrelevant.

Only historically would it have been better if the fight was held at 140, because then Floyd would've gotten the Lineal 140 Title........ which would've been against a weaker, drained Hatton.

[Real King Kong]

Well I disagree.

To nitpick and pretend like Hatton was a much bigger force at 140 than he would've been at 147 is simple nonsense, and doesn't make much sense scientifically.

Hatton has been draining himself for years to get to the 140 limit, if anything he was much healthier and in better fighting shape at 147 than he was at 140. The difference is, better opposition at 147 who were slightly bigger. It wasn't him, it was the opponents.

Now if you wanna argue that beating Hatton at 140 would've been more historically relevant, because Hatton was the 140 Champion, then you have a point.

But physically, Floyd beat a much better Hatton at 147 than he would've at 140.

his track record at that weight sings a different tune. you trying to say collazo is just that much better than tszyu? his best wins/performances were at 140.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Hatton did better than vs Collazo than Berto...and he was a 140lber...

relax

I dont know what this is supposed to prove other than that Berto is ***** which I already knew.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That doesn't take away the fact that he was physically a much better Hatton at 147 than he was at 140. He drained himself more to make those extra 7 pounds.

But yes we agree, the difference was THE OPPONENTS. He didn't have the skills needed to compete in more than one weight class. However Floyd wasn't a monster at 147. Hatton made his debut at 140 when Floyd was still at 130-135, so weight was irrelevant.

Only historically would it have been better if the fight was held at 140, because then Floyd would've gotten the Lineal 140 Title........ which would've been against a weaker, drained Hatton.

Whats this drained crap? Everyones weight drained now. Hatton never missed weight. He always balooned up between fights but always made the 140 limit which was his optimal weight.

[Fox McCloud]

I dont know what this is supposed to prove other than that Berto is ***** which I already knew.

So ***** with a double I that Pacquiao won't fight him. Floyd is the greatest of all time.

[cupocity303]

People always bring up the Hagler argument. It fails when you note that those guys went on to prove their effectiveness at higher weights. Hatton, JMM and some of the name guys on Hopkins' resume never did.

But if you take the destruction factor into account, it's a moot point.

Sure you can beat an opponent and that opponent can go on to do great things afterwards, making your victory over him look that much better.


However you can also beat a fighter so bad to the extent of taking his soul, that he will no longer be the same. That's what happened to Trinidad. Hopkins dominance took his fighting soul away and he went into retirement. Barrera's dominant victory over Prince Hamed took his soul and he retired, eating and drinking himself into Obesity.

In Conclusion: IMO, beating a great fighter into retirement or Semi-Retirement that he is never the same >>>> Beating a great fighter and that fighter goes on to win more titles afterwards.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

But if you take the destruction factor into account, it's a moot point.

Sure you can beat an opponent and that opponent can go on to do great things afterwards, making your victory over him look that much better.


However you can also beat a fighter so bad to the extent of taking his soul, that he will no longer be the same. That's what happened to Trinidad. Hopkins dominance took his fighting soul away and he went into retirement. Barrera's dominant victory over Prince Hamed took his soul and he retired, eating and drinking himself into Obesity.

In Conclusion: IMO, beating a great fighter into retirement or Semi-Retirement that he is never the same >>>> Beating a great fighter and that fighter goes on to win more titles afterwards.

"Took his soul" and "weight drained" are two of the most overused phrases in boxing nowadays.

Naz retired cos he couldnt be arsed boxing anymore, was hurting his hands constantly and had made a shed load of money. Yet you act like his loss to Barrera (which wasnt even a bad beating) sent him into some deep depresion....lol