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What is Haye's career defining moment in boxing?
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Originally posted by WladIsTheChamp View PostLongevity doesn't count for anything?
Thats like me saying Zsolt Erdie is one of the best light heavyweights ever when hes faced very few good fighters despite having a ton of title defences.
Or saying Andre Berto is better than Roberto Duran because he made more title defences. its ludicrous.
oh and a paper title doesnt mean much anyway. He was only one champ out of 3, maybe 4, so the title defences mean even less.
Gomez defended his title multiple times at CW, Haye hasn't, he got out of there as soon as he realized that he might have to fight someone more dangerous than Mormeck and Enzo, who had him in trouble at certain points.
but certainly better than a a guy that only beat one top fighter during 3 years of being champion.
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Originally posted by blackirish137 View PostOf course not when youre beating up bums......if every one of those title defences were against top guys, then we can talk and I will give Gomez much more credit.
Thats like me saying Zsolt Erdie is one of the best light heavyweights ever when hes faced very few good fighters despite having a ton of title defences.
Or saying Andre Berto is better than Roberto Duran because he made more title defences. its ludicrous.
oh and a paper title doesnt mean much anyway. He was only one champ out of 3, maybe 4, so the title defences mean even less.
During the short period that Haye had his title, he beat the #1 Cruiserweight and the the #5? Cruiserweight. not the best record ever, no.
but certainly better than a a guy that only beat one top fighter during 3 years of being champion.
Years of defending your title TEN times is way better than ONE defense, as in the case of Gomez vs Haye. And Gomez is a good HW as well, beatin McCall and Virchis, he just ran into the monster Vitaly, otherwise he would be HW champ if it was say Peter in his place or Haye.
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Originally posted by WladIsTheChamp View PostYears of defending your title TEN times is way better than ONE defense, as in the case of Gomez vs Haye. And Gomez is a good HW as well, beatin McCall and Virchis, he just ran into the monster Vitaly, otherwise he would be HW champ if it was say Peter in his place or Haye.
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Originally posted by cklmaced View PostFirstly I said possibly best anybody with any boxing knowledge would know Haye was almost unstoppable at CW and probably have him in their top 5 secondly Haye won the HW crown when he moved up how did Gomez do? lol
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Originally posted by WladIsTheChamp View PostYears of defending your title TEN times is way better than ONE defense, as in the case of Gomez vs Haye. And Gomez is a good HW as well, beatin McCall and Virchis, he just ran into the monster Vitaly, otherwise he would be HW champ if it was say Peter in his place or Haye.
heres a fun example. Andre Berto has 5 title defences. 0 wins over top ten fighters and has been a champ for about 2 and a half years now.
Roberto Duran has 0 title defences, but beat Carlos Palomino(former lineal champ) and Ray Leonard(current lineal champ and one of the best welterweights ever). oh and a win over the #8 rated Nsubuga
who has the better record at Welterweight?
Gomez only beat ONE TOP FIGHTER his entire time at Cruiserweight, although he did beat him twice. at best that guy was only #3.
Haye beat the #1 Cruiserweight in the world along with another top 5 one.
who has the better record at Cruiserweight?
Now for heavyweight, Gomez has a win over a 40+ year old man and Virchis. neither were top ten fighters.
Haye has a win over Valuev and Ruiz, both top ten fighters, and also has two title defences(which you find significant for some reason)
Who has the better record at Heavyweight?
Im just stating facts here.
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LMAO @ the choices on the poll...especially this one Getting hooked up to an oxygen tank after a 40 year old CW whoops his @ss.
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Originally posted by King Of Ring View Postheavyweight resume wlad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haye
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