What is Haye's career defining moment in boxing?

[Steak]

Well yes I do consider Brock, Dimitrenko and Peter as nobodies unless you beat an elite fighter you aren't considered a great. Haye can be considered possibly the best CW of all time so that's his legacy Wlad cant exactly say the same thing at the HW division now can he.

Holyfield is very clearly and obviously the best Cruiserweight of all time.

Its really not even a contest.

[dvb]

Wlad has no one career defining win.

he may have a lot of wins,and belts,but hes not fought anyone who was also considered a top heavyweight who could be called p4p future hall of famer.

vitalis best fight was losing to an old lewis.

Haye's would be either mormeck,where he got off the canvas to win,or Enzo who had only been stopped once in his career early on,and was considered the favourite to win.

also haye to be his size and become 2 weight wolrd champion with a broken hand is pretty impressive.

klitschko have zero fights that have defined thier career,just a load of very boring fights vs very poor opposition,the least the could have done is knocked these bums out by mid rounds and tried to actually excite the boxing world and bring fame back to boxing.

[cklmaced]

LOL.... what did he do to deserve this this has got to be the ******est post I have ever read about Haye. He defended his titles ONCE at CW. How is that great? He beat TWO cw champs, one was Enzo and the other was old shop-worn Mormeck. That in your book warrants him being the best of all time? LOL

Gomez has a CW legacy 10 times better than this.

Firstly I said possibly best anybody with any boxing knowledge would know Haye was almost unstoppable at CW and probably have him in their top 5 secondly Haye won the HW crown when he moved up how did Gomez do? lol

[toysale]

Haye's win over Valuev was just a clever tactical fight in all fairness to him. It won him the WBA heavyweight title as well so I guess that's his career defining moment.

[cklmaced]

Holyfield is very clearly and obviously the best Cruiserweight of all time.

Its really not even a contest.

Well I agree although a Haye vs Holyfield fight with both in their prime would be a fairly exciting bout.

[Steak]

LOL.... what did he do to deserve this this has got to be the ******est post I have ever read about Haye. He defended his titles ONCE at CW. How is that great? He beat TWO cw champs, one was Enzo and the other was old shop-worn Mormeck. That in your book warrants him being the best of all time? LOL

Gomez has a CW legacy 10 times better than this.

wow that is a GARGANTUAM overstatement. the only worthwhile fighter Gomez beat at Cruiserweight was Marcelo Dominguez, who at his height was only rated about #3 at Cruiserweight. literally no one else he beat in title defences was a top fighter at Cruiser.

I agree Mormeck was shopworn but at least Haye beat two guys in the top 5 and bbeat the #1 in the division. His record is slightly better than Gomez's.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Firstly I said possibly best anybody with any boxing knowledge would know Haye was almost unstoppable at CW and probably have him in their top 5 secondly Haye won the HW crown when he moved up how did Gomez do? lol

So by this statement I take it you rate Haye and his whole career by his "win" over a crippled old Valuev? Let's see, Valuev who was already beaten by Chagaev much more convicingly and who hasn't had a TKO/KO win for 2 years and 5 fights when he fought Haye, despite being 300+ pounds and 7 feet tall. Valuev was also 36/37 years old and retired afterwards because he was so unhealthy (and he looked it, he couldn't even move in the ring) and had 3 surgeries since. And Haye still ran from him the entire fight throwing 5 punches a roudn and only could get an MD. I don't think I would put this is a great accomplishment for Haye, Gomez defended his CW title for years, just because he didn't beat an old and crippled Valuev who Holyfield beat, doesn't mean that all of a sudden Haye is better than him at CW.

[WladIsTheChamp]

wow that is a GARGANTUAM overstatement. the only worthwhile fighter Gomez beat at Cruiserweight was Marcelo Dominguez, who at his height was only rated about #3 at Cruiserweight. literally no one else he beat in title defences was a top fighter at Cruiser.

I agree Mormeck was shopworn but at least Haye beat two guys in the top 5 and bbeat the #1 in the division. His record is slightly better than Gomez's.

Longevity doesn't count for anything? Gomez defended his title multiple times at CW, Haye hasn't, he got out of there as soon as he realized that he might have to fight someone more dangerous than Mormeck and Enzo, who had him in trouble at certain points.

[paulf]

What is Wladimirs?

As I said in the other thread; You can knock Haye's record for sure, but Wlad-Haye would be career defining for both guys.

It needs to happen.

[Hatton_Is_God]

stopped listening to you as soon as i read that you said Haye ducked Lebedev.