Which fighter is most at fault: Wladimir Klitschko or David Haye?

[shade darkar]

First of all who said that this fight should be promoted only after Wlad fights Chisora, there is no law against promotion of an unsigned fight. In fact this is how most promotion starts.
Second of all, it takes Wlad about 7 weeks to prepare for a fight, if he comes in cold turkey and a long lay off, if he is in shape it should be only about 5-6 weeks for him. I cant believe it to be any different for all world class fighters.
But you know what it really tells me? That David Haye is just looking for one big payday, he is so scared to fight that he won't even fight Ruslan Chagaev, the guy who he could get out rather fast at this point of Chagaev's career. Wlad on the other hand does what a champion should do -- fights, because he wants to.

come on!!!! a man wh has fought only 3 times in the last 2 years is now going to fight 2 times in 9 weeks?

haye has just had a big payday by the way.

haye is so scared to fight that he was willing to fight in germany! that makes sense!

[BrooklynBomber]

I'm pretty sure there are laws that would prevent Sky advertising a Haye-Wlad showdown if the fight wasn't contractually guaranteed. Secondly, why would Sky waste time and money advertising a fight that wasn't signed for and could fall through at any minute? It's not going to happen.

Regarding your second point, there are 8 weeks between Wlad's fight and July 2nd. He would need at least two weeks rest after the Chisora fight to rest, a week to promote the fight and whether Wlad only needs 7 weeks to train or not, Haye would probably want at least a 8-10 week training camp (as most top fighters would).

On to your last point...Chisora is a nobody who Wlad should be derided for fighting instead of Haye.

No, there are no laws to prevent them advertising that, they would just have to abide to certain standards. For example, when Wlad fought Peter last fall, Samuel was a late substitute for POvetkin, after he did not come to sign the fight contract, however the actual fight with Povetkin was promoted long before the signing of contract.

Secondly, as far as I remember there are 30-31 days in a month on average, that makes 9 weeks between july 2nd and april 30. Thats plenty of time for both, training and promotion unless you live in slowville.

Third Chisora cleaned out british heavyweight scene, as a tune up he is as good as it gets, especially since Wlad will be coming in rusty after 8 month of lay off and injury. Plus Wlad had already signed Chisora before. So thats what an honorable man should do, abide by his promises. Definately a tougher fight then Audley.

[BrooklynBomber]

come on!!!! a man wh has fought only 3 times in the last 2 years is now going to fight 2 times in 9 weeks?

haye has just had a big payday by the way.

haye is so scared to fight that he was willing to fight in germany! that makes sense!

Yeah, but Wlad always strives to fight three times a year. ANd did so quite often, therefore this is Wlad's business to solve. Wlad always tried to bring on the best given the circumstances. If you are gonna overlook that then I have no choice but to consider you a two faced cunt worthy of being quartered and fed to the dogs.

[shade darkar]

No, there are no laws to prevent them advertising that, they would just have to abide to certain standards. For example, when Wlad fought Peter last fall, Samuel was a late substitute for POvetkin, after he did not come to sign the fight contract, however the actual fight with Povetkin was promoted long before the signing of contract.

Secondly, as far as I remember there are 30-31 days in a month on average, that makes 9 weeks between july 2nd and april 30. Thats plenty of time for both, training and promotion unless you live in slowville.

Third Chisora cleaned out british heavyweight scene, as a tune up he is as good as it gets, especially since Wlad will be coming in rusty after 8 month of lay off and injury. Plus Wlad had already signed Chisora before. So thats what an honorable man should do, abide by his promises. Definately a tougher fight then Audley.

Are you aware that warrens contract allowed wlad to find a new opponent in a month? so he didnt actually have to fight chisora.

[Joeyzagz]

Only the Klitschko sisters would vote Haye in this situation. Anyone with a brain can see that Wlad purposely killed this fight when he scheduled CHisora.

This is a clear duck in every sense of the word, and I think Wlads recent steroid injury has to do with his change of heart.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Yeah, but Wlad always strives to fight three times a year. ANd did so quite often, therefore this is Wlad's business to solve. Wlad always tried to bring on the best given the circumstances. If you are gonna overlook that then I have no choice but to consider you a two faced cunt worthy of being quartered and fed to the dogs.

LOL You sound like Cartman as the Coon.

[shade darkar]

Yeah, but Wlad always strives to fight three times a year. ANd did so quite often, therefore this is Wlad's business to solve. Wlad always tried to bring on the best given the circumstances. If you are gonna overlook that then I have no choice but to consider you a two faced cunt worthy of being quartered and fed to the dogs.

get childish if you want, i dont care. but that statement isnt true because he has just signed to fight chisora when he could have fought haye. are you saying chisora is better than haye?

[BrooklynBomber]

Another thing that everyone seems to overlook is the last time Wladimir signed Haye he signed him at around the march time for a late june fight, and where did that take him? Haye pulled out without ever actually fulfilling on his promises.
There is no single reason why Wlad should trust Haye not to do so again and then retire(remember the self-imposed retirement plan?) which will effectively leave Wlad without an income and also 6 months of his better years.
All the pressure right now is on David Haye, if he leaves, it will be only himself to blame.
This, imo, is a poetic justice.

[shade darkar]

Another thing that everyone seems to overlook is the last time Wladimir signed Haye he signed him at around the march time for a late june fight, and where did that take him? Haye pulled out without ever actually fulfilling on his promises.
There is no single reason why Wlad should trust Haye not to do so again and then retire(remember the self-imposed retirement plan?) which will effectively leave Wlad without an income and also 6 months of his better years.
All the pressure right now is on David Haye, if he leaves, it will be only himself to blame.
This, imo, is a poetic justice.

lol, living in the past now are we? is this you starting to realize that wlad fcuked up this time?

[WladIsTheChamp]

When Klitschko does it, it's called ducking, when Haye does it, it's called a "smart business decision". Hypocrites and haters that's all you all are who are calling Wlad the "ducker" in this situation.

When Haye backed out with a fake back injury against Wlad back in 2009 they said "Oh, what do you expect him to fight for free? It's a smart business decision."


When Haye backed out of the Vitaly negotiations at the last moment to "fight" Valuev they said: "Oh, it's a way for him to get a belt and then get better leverage against the Klitschkos. It's a smart business decision."


When Haye didn't answer the Klitschkos for 7 months after Wlad called him out back in March 2010 they said: "He is on vacation with his family, give him a break."

When Haye first said he'll never fight Audley saying that all his fans will laugh at him and then did a 180 and said that the fans have been begging for the fight his fans said: "Yeah the fight sucks but it's a smart business decision, his bank account will grow, it's great for his bank account."


Now when Wlad has decided to fill-in one fight before the July date to which Haye agreed to initially, instead of waiting on Haye like he did back in 2009 and risk Haye pulling out on him again and wasting more of his prime years, they say: "Oh, Wlad is duckin."

LOL

Message to Haye fans - your hero will be chased into retirement in October by the Klitschkos after all the **** talking from him for 3 years, all the t-shirts, the promises, the boasts, the pulling out of fights. Ultimately, if Haye never fights them, he is the coward since he begged for the fights to begin with and pulled-out of made fights with them, including this time, since all he had to do was sign for July 2nd, but didn't.