Do you give Haye a reasonable shot at beating Wlad?

[esl_4_u]

Considering the styles involved, and the speed and power of Haye, how do you rate his chances?

Until recently I always considered Haye to be "a good, but not yet" fighter. After watching his preparation for the Fraudley fight, watching him fight, and listening to watch he has been saying, I noticed that he has the "eye of the tiger". Right now, Haye is very dangerous to anyone in the division...especially someone like Wlad. When is the last time Wlad has had a troublesome fight? Well it has been a long time. 2005 to be exactly in the first fight against Samuel Peter and a year before against Lamon Brewster in their first fight. Since then Wlad has not had a worthy opponent or an opponent that could push him to the limit where he would get concerned and have to make adjustments in the fight. Haye's style, mentality, and ability would do that. Wlad will have to fight a real fight against Haye, because Haye will not be kept at the end of jab...that just the facts. Wlad is not a one shot KO guy and he usually softens guys up with his jab. With a pure boxer we get a boring fight like Sultan Ibragimov and Wlad didn't hurt him at all.

Think Haye will Wlad to fight a tough fight and he has a good chance of winning. Wlad is not invicible and he is definitely KOable.

[nomadman]

This ******* comes in here and this is all he says?

No, it's not all I've said in this thread. Try reading it.

Haye, of his 25 fights 23 are KO. Obviously he can KO.

Course he can... at Cruiserweight, which he where he fought the majority of his fights. At Heavyweight he's fought a total of two stiffs, two hasbeens and one acromegalic and uncoordinated giant with two left clubfeet. Not really a good sample size for measuring his KO chances against the two best heavyweights in the division is it?

Is he faster than both Klits? Yes he is. Faster feet and faster hands.

If he lands a solid punch is their a possibility that he KOs..Hell yeah

Do we already know both the Kilits have KO power ? yes.

So forget about my "expert opinion"....these points are valid from even a casual fan or a *******.

So your opinion comes down to the fact that Haye is faster than both Klits and can KO bums whilst they can KO him. Great. Don't bother taking into account any of the other factors will you.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Until recently I always considered Haye to be "a good, but not yet" fighter. After watching his preparation for the Fraudley fight, watching him fight, and listening to watch he has been saying, I noticed that he has the "eye of the tiger". Right now, Haye is very dangerous to anyone in the division...especially someone like Wlad. When is the last time Wlad has had a troublesome fight? Well it has been a long time. 2005 to be exactly in the first fight against Samuel Peter and a year before against Lamon Brewster in their first fight. Since then Wlad has not had a worthy opponent or an opponent that could push him to the limit where he would get concerned and have to make adjustments in the fight. Haye's style, mentality, and ability would do that. Wlad will have to fight a real fight against Haye, because Haye will not be kept at the end of jab...that just the facts. Wlad is not a one shot KO guy and he usually softens guys up with his jab. With a pure boxer we get a boring fight like Sultan Ibragimov and Wlad didn't hurt him at all.

Think Haye will Wlad to fight a tough fight and he has a good chance of winning. Wlad is not invicible and he is definitely KOable.

There are so many things wrong with this post, I don't know where to start.

First, you said you realized that Haye has "the eye of the tiger" as you watched the Audley fight. Couple of questions: 1) Where you high? 2) Was that before or after the ref had to warn both Diva and Fraudley for not throwing one single punch in an entire round? 3) Have you seen Fraudley fight before and do you know of his reputation for being the most gun-shy pro-boxer ever? 4) You do realize that Diva said this fight was a joke yet he did it anyway?


Second, you said Diva will not be kept the end of the jab. What do you think Ruiz did? He painted Diva's face with that jab backing him up, except that Ruiz's jab doesn't have the 10th of the power and speed that Klitschko's jab does. Klitschko knocks people down with that jab.


You said Wlad is not a one shot KO guy. Are you serious? Have you ever watched any of his fights? Chambers KO was a one-shot KO, Brock KO was a one-shot KO, Austin went down from that one lef-hook (although Wlad added 3 more in succession to a falling Austin). Wlad has the one shot KO power while Diva doesn't even at CW, he smothers his opponents with lots of punches and usually requires the ref to step in.


Finally you said Wlad had problems with a pure boxer like Sultan and didn't hurt him at all. First, he did hurt Ibragimov, watch the highlights of Sultan's head being snapped back after every jab that lands. Second, Diva is not a pure boxer and is not as technically solid as Ibragimov was, he is very sloppy and his defense is sloppy.

[WladIsTheChamp]

No, it's not all I've said in this thread. Try reading it.



Course he can... at Cruiserweight, which he where he fought the majority of his fights. At Heavyweight he's fought a total of two stiffs, two hasbeens and one acromegalic and uncoordinated giant with two left clubfeet. Not really a good sample size for measuring his KO chances against the two best heavyweights in the division is it?



So your opinion comes down to the fact that Haye is faster than both Klits and can KO bums whilst they can KO him. Great. Don't bother taking into account any of the other factors will you.

Not to mention he obviously had a distinct size advantage at CW since he is naturally a HW at 6'3" and has been fighting guys like Mock, who fought at 158 and below in their pro career, Mock knocked him down as well.

[nomadman]

Until recently I always considered Haye to be "a good, but not yet" fighter. After watching his preparation for the Fraudley fight, watching him fight, and listening to watch he has been saying, I noticed that he has the "eye of the tiger". Right now, Haye is very dangerous to anyone in the division...especially someone like Wlad. When is the last time Wlad has had a troublesome fight? Well it has been a long time. 2005 to be exactly in the first fight against Samuel Peter and a year before against Lamon Brewster in their first fight. Since then Wlad has not had a worthy opponent or an opponent that could push him to the limit where he would get concerned and have to make adjustments in the fight. Haye's style, mentality, and ability would do that. Wlad will have to fight a real fight against Haye, because Haye will not be kept at the end of jab...that just the facts. Wlad is not a one shot KO guy and he usually softens guys up with his jab. With a pure boxer we get a boring fight like Sultan Ibragimov and Wlad didn't hurt him at all.

Think Haye will Wlad to fight a tough fight and he has a good chance of winning. Wlad is not invicible and he is definitely KOable.

You're using the Audley fight as a guage to Haye's chances??? Jesus Christ. Anyone can look like they have the eye of the tiger against a tame threadbare kitten. Forget that whole nonsesnse affair and look at his actual fights if you truly want to guage Haye's chances against a Klit. While you're at it look at Wlad's latest fights since it seems you're one of those fellows I alluded to earlier who are still stuck in the Sanders/Brewster/Purrity days. There's a very good reason why Wlad hasn't been in a tough fight for six years and it doesn't have to do with lack of decent opposition. Under Steward he's refined his style to the point where even fighters who would have troubled him in the past are left prone and helpless. And Haye's going to be the one to give him a tough fight? Based on what? Haye's defence is porous, his workrate abysmal, his offence impetuous, his chin discombobulatable. The only way he avoids Wlad's jab is if he stays halfway across the ring at all times, and that's not going to win him anything save the contempt of the crowd. As for Wlad not being a one-hit guy that just beggars belief. He's one of the purest examples of a one-hit knockout puncher in the heavyweight division today. Don't let the tendency that he has of toying with his opponents make you think he lacks power. He has more than enough to send Haye to the land of BSkyB, and given their opposition and respective performances he's far more the likely to land his money punch.

[Gojira]

No, it's not all I've said in this thread. Try reading it.



Course he can... at Cruiserweight, which he where he fought the majority of his fights. At Heavyweight he's fought a total of two stiffs, two hasbeens and one acromegalic and uncoordinated giant with two left clubfeet. Not really a good sample size for measuring his KO chances against the two best heavyweights in the division is it?



So your opinion comes down to the fact that Haye is faster than both Klits and can KO bums whilst they can KO him. Great. Don't bother taking into account any of the other factors will you.

Ruiz had an iron chin and got dropped by the first real punch that Haye landed.

[Reggie Miller]

Haye has more than a reasonable chance.

People are focusing too much on how this fight is being made and saying stuff like "pu$$y" etc, but they're not considering the skills of Haye.

Hes by far the fastest and hardest hitting HW Wlad will ever face and add to the fact that he will be on his bike and hard to hit while landing his punches with his in and out style, he has a big chance to win this fight.

Both are chinny, just think Haye will land his shots before Wlad.. who is too cautious.

Haye needs to end it early to win though.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Ruiz had an iron chin and got dropped by the first real punch that Haye landed.

Key word here HAD, first of all I don't think his chin was iron but he HAD a decent chin when he was younger, but not at 38. Chin declines just like everything else with age (unless you are Vitaly), if you don't believe me, just take a look at the guy in your avatar and see his last fight, he got dropped by an old Barrett who is not known to be a big puncher.

[DKNY]

30-40% depends on how smartly Wlad can box.

[Pirao]

Ruiz had an iron chin and got dropped by the first real punch that Haye landed.

I lol'd

I'm going to bookmark this thread, it's going to be interesting to see how many of the idiots saying Haye has a good chance to win call Haye a bum after Wlad is through with him, as happens with every Klitschko opponent.