On the fly adjustments, and style alterations.

[street bully]

you talk about skills in HOF vs. ATG in the context that you have to have great skills to accomplish a HOF or ATG resume.

but in the end it's all about resume and accomplishments.

That is common knowledge, but its your resume and your skills that usually places you where you are. Based on skills alone people think Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest, but if you look at resume coupled with skill you could give it to Muhammad Ali.

[The Gambler1981]

Resume is also a shitty word for saying a fighters record, since resumes are never truthful and overly positives.


Ledger is a much better word since that takes into account positives and negatives~

[Left Hook Tua]

Resume is the argument of the weak, if you only know a guys resume you should not be making judgments about their career point blank.

If you don't have the knowledge all a resume is for a fighter is just meaningless numbers and dates.

ummm........

so to you resume is just dates , numbers and names?

[Left Hook Tua]

That is common knowledge, but its your resume and your skills that usually places you where you are. Based on skills alone people think Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest, but if you look at resume coupled with skill you could give it to Muhammad Ali.

i do give it to ali.

[jrosales13]

That is common knowledge, but its your resume and your skills that usually places you where you are. Based on skills alone people think Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest, but if you look at resume coupled with skill you could give it to Muhammad Ali.

I disagree, skill and resume alone Ali is not really in the discussion as far as I'm concerned. I think he is the GOAT at HW some we'll say Louis but I will take Ali. However, P4P GOAT I don't think he is.

His resume is not as good as SRR, nor Greb, nor Langford, nor Armstrong, and depending what you like and what era you hold at a higher regard you can say that his resume is not better than Barney Ross. But, that again depends on preference.

[RubenSonny]

That is common knowledge, but its your resume and your skills that usually places you where you are. Based on skills alone people think Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest, but if you look at resume coupled with skill you could give it to Muhammad Ali.

Ali wasn't more skilled than Robinson. The difference between their resumes is that Robinson beat more great fighters(in terms of resume) but Ali beat some extremely skilled fighters and difficult to beat fighters(fighters that would have been great in other eras). I'm not sure if I worded that correctly but heres an example Duran might be greater than Sweetpea but that doesnt making him harder to beat and either can argued a better win for a fighter that beat them. I'm not saying Ali fought harder fights than Robinson neccasarily. I think I may have overcomplicated my point?

[street bully]

I disagree, skill and resume alone Ali is not really in the discussion as far as I'm concerned. I think he is the GOAT at HW some we'll say Louis but I will take Ali. However, P4P GOAT I don't think he is.

His resume is not as good as SRR, nor Greb, nor Langford, nor Armstrong, and depending what you like and what era you hold at a higher regard you can say that his resume is not better than Barney Ross. But, that again depends on preference.

Personally I think Alis resume is better. You cant move between weight classes at HW, and I will take the two eras Ali fought in, three in reality but he was shot by the time he fought th enew wave with Berbick and Holmes. I think Ali has the greatest resume of all times.

[djtmal]

In my opinion this is what seprates HOFers from ATGs and good fighters from great fighters too. I have nothing against guys with great natural gifts that simple overwhelm their opponents like a young Geroge Foreman, Tyson, or Pacquiao, however to me nothing beats me seeing a fighter change up their style between fights, and multiple times in a fight to pull out the win.

you know what...i gotta agree with you...there's nothing like seeing a cat getting outboxed or put on the canvas a couple of times, then switch up and rabbit punch, lowblow, clinch, hit on the break, and headbutt his way to a win....definitely separates the good fighters from the great ones i tell ya...

[The Gambler1981]

ummm........

so to you resume is just dates , numbers and names?

That is how it is used, a resume used by itself is meaningless.


Unless you truly know about a fighter you should not really be talking about them.


If a person resorts to "resume" that means they don't know shit

[RubenSonny]

I disagree, skill and resume alone Ali is not really in the discussion as far as I'm concerned. I think he is the GOAT at HW some we'll say Louis but I will take Ali. However, P4P GOAT I don't think he is.

His resume is not as good as SRR, nor Greb, nor Langford, nor Armstrong, and depending what you like and what era you hold at a higher regard you can say that his resume is not better than Barney Ross. But, that again depends on preference.

I think you can make a case for him being near GOAT if you read my previous post, not that I think he is GOAT.