Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 Title

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Seriously, do you know how to READ??? OMG LOL Those are ALL QUOTES FROM LEONARD ELLERBE!!! Ellerbe even referred to himself in the quote, saying "myself"!!! Nowhere in that statement is there a quote from Haymon!!! Are you seriously that ******??? A spokesman, lawyer, publicist or anyone that wasn't there can say anything and NOT be litigated for lying or perjury!!

Notice that 2 of the 3 ACTUAL negotiating parties (Arum & Greenburg) made statements on their own behalf, BUT HAYMON DID NOT!!! He could NOT...because then there would be documented proof that he LIED for saying "no negotiations"!!

I didnt say that quote was made by Haymon you fkn tool, it referred to him, I even pasted the comment, and anyone who clicked that link can see that the quote was from Ellerbe.

Here, you fkn moron, read it yourself.....
" Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather "

It was an official press release from Team Mayweather, and it referred to EVERYBODY involved, you dishonest ****head.

What don't you get dumbarse ?

6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stating that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

They then publicly stated that Bob Arum lied, and here is the proof..... you know, my question, the one that you have ignored at least 4 times now.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Bob Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

THE DEADLINE WAS A SHAM !!

Explain to me how it is even slightly possible for an official negotiation to have taken place, when Arum was forced to admit that he faked a negotiation and then slapped a deadline on it?

Stop being a ****head, you are wearing out your fingernails scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for excuses kid. Haymon denied that the phone calls from Greenburg were part of any "official negotiation" . You are the only ***tard who has even tried that one on. You lame-arse.

How about you answer my question ?

[heat27]

wtf
If this is true then i lost all respect I had for manny
He is becoming a joke

[richardt]

LardUppercut, you are nothing but a damn airhead!!!!! This is from WIKIPEDIA you barf for brains:

Ross Greenburg said in a statement that he has been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, 2010, carefully trying to put the fight together and he did in fact act as a go-between in negotiations with the two sides, but they were unable to come to an agreement.

Manny ALREADY said he was willing to take any tests anytime even after the 6th round so get lost you ***ing pea brain!! Get a clue, even if you have to beg, borrow or steal one but get a damn clue!!!!!

[Seleção No. 13]

People are still bumping this ****? It's already confirmed that it's at 147 lbs.

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Explain to me how it is even slightly possible for an official negotiation to have taken place, when Arum was forced to admit that he faked a negotiation and then slapped a deadline on it?

Haymon denied that the phone calls from Greenburg were part of any "official negotiation" .

How about you answer my question ?

What you said was even DUMBER!!! A quote from Ellerbe MENTIONING Haymon is MEANINGLESS LEGALLY, YOU FOOL!!! Go check with any lawyer and they will confirm that a representative, spokesperson or even a lawyer can only make statements to the best of their knowledge about their client!! At the end of the day, Ellerbe can claim ignorance and say he was misinformed by Haymon. The only thing that matters is what the ACTUAL PARTICIPATING PARTIES SAY ON THE RECORD ABOUT THE NEGOTIATION!! Arum and Greenburg confirmed on the record (publicly) that negotiations happened. However, HAYMON KEPT QUIET TO SAVE FLOYD FROM FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT!!! And all negotiations are OFFICIAL!! None of it was FAKE!! What about the word "negotiation" don't you understand??? Arum's statements coincide with Greenberg's statements!! You think the Head of HBO Sports took time out of his schedule to chat with Haymon for fun??? You are a clown!! LOL

The only thing on record is a statement by Floyd's boyfriend on behalf of Floyd and he's nobody that is not even remotely considered a witness to the negotiations!! Ellerbe's statement was a last ditch attempt to save Floyd's egg-stained face!!! And it didn't work...hence THE MAYWEATHER MELTDOWN!!

And show us where Haymon denied ON THE RECORD about any negotiations!!! Let's go...*****....where is your proof??? There is none, which is why Floyd went crying to Don King. While you're at it, go check if any of the fighters Haymon manages is promoted by King.

[Laborer]

This. is. not. happening.

Dude. How can Pacquiao have any supporters left???

I enjoy watching him fight, but holy ****.

This is a joke.

they're not called supporters, they're called *******S!

[Grimmer]

He's fighting him at a higher weight than Floyd :P

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What you said was even DUMBER!!! A quote from Ellerbe MENTIONING Haymon is MEANINGLESS LEGALLY, YOU FOOL!!! Go check with any lawyer and they will confirm that a representative, spokesperson or even a lawyer can only make statements to the best of their knowledge about their client!! At the end of the day, Ellerbe can claim ignorance and say he was misinformed by Haymon. The only thing that matters is what the ACTUAL PARTICIPATING PARTIES SAY ON THE RECORD ABOUT THE NEGOTIATION!! Arum and Greenburg confirmed on the record (publicly) that negotiations happened. However, HAYMON KEPT QUIET TO SAVE FLOYD FROM FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT!!! And all negotiations are OFFICIAL!! None of it was FAKE!! What about the word "negotiation" don't you understand??? Arum's statements coincide with Greenberg's statements!! You think the Head of HBO Sports took time out of his schedule to chat with Haymon for fun??? You are a clown!! LOL

The only thing on record is a statement by Floyd's boyfriend on behalf of Floyd and he's nobody that is not even remotely considered a witness to the negotiations!! Ellerbe's statement was a last ditch attempt to save Floyd's egg-stained face!!! And it didn't work...hence THE MAYWEATHER MELTDOWN!!

And show us where Haymon denied ON THE RECORD about any negotiations!!! Let's go...*****....where is your proof??? There is none, which is why Floyd went crying to Don King. While you're at it, go check if any of the fighters Haymon manages is promoted by King.

Stop your whining you dishonest prick

" Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather "
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box...urn=box-257098

That was an official press release. Show me a link where Haymon mentions anything about holding an official negotiation with Greenburg then? Thought so.....

Show me a link where Arum/Greenburg call Haymon a liar after Team Mayweather denied that official negotiations ever took place then? Thought so.....

You are a fkn clown for thinking that a fight of that magnitude could be made with a couple of simple calls from errand boy Greenburg, without any meeting/discussions/agreements, and without any of the involved parties being present.

Jeez you dumb ****, the first negotiation took weeks. It involved up to a dozen people, many meetings, including a mediation process that took days. Arum's conference call was THE DAY AFTER his bull**** deadline expired. So, accordingly to you..... after Bob Arum's bull**** deadline expired, Ross Greenburg held an official negotiation without meeting anyone from either party, and he did it all in less than 24 hours?

You fkn ******, Greenburg is likely sippin whiskies with Arum over this

This is an old post.....

BTW bro, a lot of people know what's going on. And, I bet that both Ellerbe and Schaefer have made sure that Greenburg is up to speed now.

Although, it is uncanny that a man in his position could find himself manipulated like that. Let's just assume that Greenburg knows a little more about the business of boxing than he did a few weeks ago, and leave it there. Otherwise, there will undoubtedly be "conspiracy theorist" accusations flying around the room

Then again, I assume that everybody here realises that Greenburg has just as much to gain from this as Arum? Neither HBO nor Top Rank have any control over Mayweather, and Manny is a money-making machine. Greenburg got "lucky", because now Manny can make him a lot more money before he has to risk that marketability against Mayweather.

This is an interesting article, although mostly only the direct quote from Ellerbe can be rated as first-hand. Funny prediction though....
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...e_over_ma.html

And it supports the Marley's revelations, after speaking with his contacts at Top Rank.....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

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A quote from Ellerbe MENTIONING Haymon is MEANINGLESS LEGALLY, YOU FOOL!!!

Honestly, what a whiney little prick.

You have completely ignored absolute proof that Bob Arum lied, and that his "deadline" was nothing but a sham.

You have completely ignored a public press release where 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stating that..... "THERE WERE NO NEGOTIATIONS" !!

And you have refused to explain how Ross Greenburg could possibly hold an official negotiation inbetween the expiration of Arum's fake deadline on July 16th and Bob Arum's conference call less than 24 hours later on July 17th.

Instead, you prefer to nit-pick over what you think may be a technical legality in a trivial issue.

KID, for the 5th time, answer my question you fkn clown, but before you do that..... give yourself an uppercut ****head and listen to revelations made by that Top Rank guy and general all-around Pac nut-hugger, Michael Marley.....

" Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

[ALG United]

Top Rank Promotions CEO Bob Arum spoke to FanHouse Tuesday night after five-time titlist Shane Mosley agreed to face eight-division champion Manny Pacquiao.

Pacquiao will put his WBO welterweight (147 pounds) belt on the line May 7. against Mosley in an HBO pay-per-view fight from the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas