Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 Title

[richardt]

Manny accepts the testing and hell yes, Mayweather has to run back to the table, otherwise he does not get to fight the PFP#1 fighter in the world and make more money than he has ever made! It doesn't MATTER when Pac accepted the testing! Mayweather knows that Pac has accepted so where is Mayweather????? The ball is and has been in Mayweather's court for some time now and Mayweather is "NOT THINKING ABOUT BOXING". I was a fan of Mayweather's for over TEN years and still think he has the style to give Pac trouble and Mayweather is not that confident. If he loses, he can no longer be a legend in his own mind who thinks he is better than Ali and Robinson.

[braveheart31]

In a deal that many are expecting to be finalized by Thursday, "Sugar" Shane Mosley will likely be announced as the next opponent for eight-division champion Manny Pacquiao in an HBO pay-per-view televised clash on May 7 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

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i cant take anymore of this bull**** why dont pac make middle weights fight at catch weights and he fight at 150 for the ****ing middle weight title this is bull**** another bull**** move by pac bob arum and roach how he fight catch weight fights and they are title fights come on man BULL****

[iNDOLiFER]

manny KO shane, p4p #1 king top doggy dogg dogg haha..

[Cash Cow]

This is a timeline of excuses regarding drug testing from TEAM PACQUIAO beginning after the Cotto fight at the end of 2009

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general. [/

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If true this will be the worst matchup in Pacquaios career. This fight is a disgrace.

[brick wall]

And you accept that ?

You accept that Manny walks around claiming to be the GOAT because he is the only 8-division titlist? Greater than Moore?

*** off.

it's a fake title because both him and margarito were not rated at JMW when they fought so how can they fight for the title?

i'm a pacfan but i'm not as ****** and gullibe as you not to recognize what is legit or not. feel free to dig my posts and if you can see a post where i said pac is the GOAT or 8 div titlist i'll stop posting here...do the same if you can not.

[WESS]

When Manny and Mayweather were teens, they were the same size....

yesh i know JMW is 148-154....so why have a catchweight @148? lol Why wont you just fight between 148-154?

No I am not comparing Baldomir to anyone...what im saying is that Baldomir has done something that Cotto, Clottey or Margarito has NEVER done, and thats beat a WW Champion for a WW Belt...he actually beat that LAST undisputed WW Champ....Zab Judah...has Clottey ever been champ? Has Margarito beat a champ? oh yeah he beat Cotto with bricks.....wait has Cotto beat a WW Champ or has all his titles come in VACANT TITLE BOUTS.

You wanna talk this lineal bullshyt....fact is..Baldomir was ranked #1 @WW when Mayweather fought him..guess who was #2?.....Margarito...I wonder why all these EXPERTS and WRITERS has Margarito #2 behind the cinderella journeyman Baldomir....

Actually, didnt you say Mannys Career @ WW is better than Mayweather? How?..from what I recall Mayweather has beat 2 #1 Ranked WW's....the first being Baldomir, the 2nd being Mosley...can Manny say that?

I remember people saying that Floyd was a coward and that he would NEVER get in the ring with Baldo and that he was too big etc etc.... Actually he first was called out to fight Judah because of him being a really fast southpaw. Then after beating Judah, Judah became a bum. Everyone jumped on the Baldo (#1 WW) train and said he was going to destroy little Floyd. All that was left was Margarito the #2 WW. Arum wanted to make the fight but wouldn't pay Floyd enough money. He fired Bob and moved on to BIGGER and BETTER things outside of Top Rank vs De La Hoya AT JMW. The rest is history.

Yet all we hear is Cotto, Clottey and Margarito and how Floyd didn't fight them. First off ANYONE who thinks Floyd should have fought Clottey is just a F**King dumb shyt.

Floyd tried to fight Cotto (baring it was before he was #1 at WW) but Arum didn't want any part of it (he knew Floyd would whoop that A$$).

Margarito like I said WOULD have happened but excuse or not, Arum didn't front the money so Floyd made bank with Hoya.

Anyway Judah was a beast then and I love when people degrade Baldo. Just shows how biased and simple minded they are let alone the hate they have for Floyd. lol Cracks me up.

Baldo was on a 21 win fight streak and 8 years of not losing when Floyd beat him.... People also ignore that Zab had only lost to Tszyu, Spinks and Baldo. When Floyd beat both Judah and Baldo they were at the top of there game. Judah arguably was on the slide but still a hell of a fighter then. Amazing how people like to degrade that division just because Floyd ran through it so easily and then moved up to JMW all while never fighting at a catchweight. No questions where asked. All people could do was say that those guys suck out hate because most where proven wrong.

Since then, we got Hatton at 147 which was a great fight for Floyd IMO because they dont call Ricky "FATTON" for nothing PLUS he had fought at 147 before. Floyd moved on to fighting JMM at 147, which was a joke and shoudl have never happened. Then "too good" Mosley. That fight was legit at the time it was fought as Mosley WAS the #1 WW.

Now, I expect Floyd to get out of court and speak Pac, Martinez and Berto language. Nothing more, nothing less.

[richardt]

First off, you need to calm down and start thinking rationally. The first negotiations back in December 2009 were for a Pac-Mayweather fight in March 13, 2010. That ended with 24 days vs. 14 days.

The second round of negotiations started April/May 2010 for a November 13, 2010 Pac-Mayweather fight. That ended with 14 days vs. 7 days!!

Once Pac agreed to 7 days, Floyd simply DUCKED!!! Floyd and his team ran out of excuses!! That's why they lied said "no negotiations" took place and that Floyd is "on vacation". Floyd got sooo embarrassed that he even went to Don King. I'm convinced the results of this negotiation is what put Floyd over-the-top mentally and thus the MELTDOWN!!

Uppercut needs to realize there were two time frames. I thought everyone knew about the second set of negotiations.....apparently Uppercut does not. Lets hope he becomes enlightened instead of defending Mayweather. I have seen TONS of fans turn away from Mayweather, people who defended him till they were blue in the face but they turned away because of the things he is doing to other people and his ducking Pac.

Pac has an entire country behind him, Mayweather could not even get all the people on his block behind him. That has to be weighing on Mayweather heavily. His HUGE ego cannot handle Pac being #1, otherwise WHY would he go on a racist rant???? Mayweather is so dillusional that he thinks that noteriety is fame and that is what he is after. That is the only way to explain his going postal.

[LeadUppercut]

Greenberg was talking DIRECTLY to Al Haymon, Floyd's manager. He's the main man that Schaefer talks to. No need for Schaefer when the HEAD of HBO Sports is talking directly to Haymon! Al Haymon is one of the most powerful men in boxing and refuses any kind of publicity.

Both parties agreed that the second negotiation would be confidential...UNTIL there was a resolution and the resolution was NO Pac-Mayweather FIGHT for Nov. 13th. Apparently, Floyd and Golden Boy were irrational during the whole process and Arum simply called them on it AFTER the negotiation fell through. Bob ended up being right because what immediately followed was Floyd and Ellerbe lying about the negotiations and then running to Don King. And then...the infamous MAYWEATHER MELTDOWN!!

Don't be so ******.

Team Mayweather publicly stated that the calls between Haymon and Greenburg were NOT part of an official negotiation. You are gullible if you think that a fight of that magnitude could be made with a couple of calls from Ross Greenburg.

In fact, 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first-hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stated that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

Use your head man.....
FACT: BOB ARUM LIED !!

The " deadline " was a sham.....

A "deadline" that Arum negotiated with GBP is about to expire.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

The very next day, Arum is forced to admit that he never even spoke with GBP....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

So how could it be possible for official negotiations to have taken place?

You listen to Bob Arum ?

Jeez kid, he has been lying about the state of fight negotiations for over 40 years now, wake up.

A mediator will sit in a room with both parties and walk them through the process, and an official negotiation could easily take days. Greenburg was just an errand boy, and nothing more.

The mediator that TR/GBP used last time walked both parties through the process, Greenburg was just an errand boy with a ****ty offer that Arum knew would be rejected. Just like it states here.....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

Wake up, your "Mayweather is scared" fantasy, doesn't fit with the facts kid.

It is absolutely ridiculous for you to think that the OST request was a duck.

If Mayweather wanted a way out of that fight, do you really think that he would have accepted 50/50? or that silly 10mil per pound demand?

He would have used one of five excuses, and ALL of them would be better than your one..... because, Manny could have simply taken the test..... just like Shane did, like Manny should have done, and like Manny states that he will agree to now.

The bottom line is, the fight has not yet happened, bacause Manny refused to submit to random blood testing during the only official negotiation.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27427

[ThunderWolf]

If there is a weight issue, don`t be surprised if they are grooming the boxing fans for a 155 Middleweight vacant title clash. If Mosley were to balloon up to 165 even at welter, then what the heck.