Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 Title

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Like I said, it's not a great fight. But lets not exaggerate, Clottey and Margarito were not gimmies, in so much that they were two of most dangerous opponents that Pac could have fought at WW (with Mosley and Mayweather being the other two). Pac beat them in such one sided fights that it has completely negated the 'they are too big for him' factor, so that's why the Mosley fight isn't great because even his superior punching power won't make any difference.

But it boils down to narrative. Marquez has the history and Berto is undefeated...however, can people honestly say that they have a much better chance then this faded version of Mosley? Bottom line is that those guys and even Bradley/Alexander have almost no chance. The Mosley fight will look bad because Pac will beat the hell out of a fan favorite fighter, but since Shane wants the paycheck let him have it.

In two years time Pac will have fought Marquez III and Berto, he has already cleared up the rest of the division.

Its not who he fights, its when he fights them. And this is actually the arhuement I make with people who say Pac's resume uis better than Mayweather's. Mayweather fights guys on the way up, Pac fights them on the way down. But, that's not the converstaion we're having. Pac fought Clottey coming off a loss to Cotto, who Pac had just KO'd. Margarito was comign off the devastating KO loss to Mosley. Clottey is irrelevant because he hasn't had a single meaningful win in his career. As for Margarito. If Pac would have fought Margarito coming off his win over Cotto. Yeah, he gets full props. But waiting until he's coming off a KO loss takes a lot of the luster off od his performance.

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Can you explain why Pacquiao himself said he wouldn't exceed 147?

Becasue he has so much trouble getting anywehere near 147 despite eating enough calories to make a horse throw up. It's pretty well documented that pac struggles to get anywhere near that weight.

[deejd]

Pac's resume is better to those who favor Pac. But if you look at facts, most of Pac's signature wins have come against guys coming off loses and lackluster performances against lesser fighters.

You actually didn't even have to explain the rest... to a fan of the sport.

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I'm personally judging Pacquaio from the standpoint that he's supposed to be better than Mayweather. And if he's better than Mayweather, I have no interest in seeing him fight a guy that will be nearly 40 and that managed to win about 30 seconds of his fight with Mayweather what will be a year before fighting Pac. I also have no interest in seeing the so-called P4P King fight a guy that was very fortunate to get a draw with Sergio friggin Mora. I'm not one of these people that expects a superfight every time out. I mean, I know the history of boxing. And regardless of what ESPN Classic tells you, Ali didn't fight Foreman and Frazier every time out. Everyone is entitled to a gimmie here and there. Problem I'm having with Pac is that his entire 2010 was gimmies. And now, he's continuing with his gimmies into 2011. At what point is the so-called P4P King gonna step up and fight a real P4P elite?

Stellar, great post.

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Its not who he fights, its when he fights them. And this is actually the arhuement I make with people who say Pac's resume uis better than Mayweather's. Mayweather fights guys on the way up, Pac fights them on the way down. But, that's not the converstaion we're having. Pac fought Clottey coming off a loss to Cotto, who Pac had just KO'd. Margarito was comign off the devastating KO loss to Mosley. Clottey is irrelevant because he hasn't had a single meaningful win in his career. As for Margarito. If Pac would have fought Margarito coming off his win over Cotto. Yeah, he gets full props. But waiting until he's coming off a KO loss takes a lot of the luster off od his performance.

Clotty was a last minute throw him in their fight stop over exagerrating and Margarito was a year and a half and a win removed from a KO loss so again stop overexaggerating.

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And all that can be explained because Manny is always gonna be outweighted by 15-20 pounds on fight night as long as he fights in those divisions. Catchweights simply limits the disadvantage he's gonna be at come fight night.

This isn't rocket science dummy now can you please explain to me why a catchweight is a bad thing for a fighter whos gonna be outweighted by two weight classes come fight night anyways?

Pathetic response.....why fight bigger fighters if THEY cant be at a weight they are comfy at? SIZE doesnt mean **** if the guys you are fighting has boxing skills far below yours. How can you fight for a 154lb title when your a smaller fighter but you make the BIGGER fighter weigh the same as you? Advantage who?

Are you a Manny Fan or a boxing fan? RULES ARE RULES man.

Would you give Mayweather credit if he fought Martinez for the MW title at a 153lb catchweight?

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yeah only an idiot might use the CW= weight drained excuse

but if the catchweight made no difference .. why would Team Pac use them?

Though this makes perfect sense, it won't for that poster. No matter what facts you pepper these threads, you can't change somebody else's perception.

[rocky_balboa23]

**** im losing a lot of respect for Pac and Roach. I miss the days when pac was still fighting the Mexican triumvirate.

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You actually didn't even have to explain the rest... to a fan of the sport.

Fan of the sport? Dont you mean a fan of convenience?

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i dont know where to start with this mess. morales put up the best performance of his life against pac. A fighter that can fight that good is no where near past prime, and he proved it in the secon fight where half way he was still in it.

After junior jones barrera became a more complete fighter and was on his best winning streak before he met pac. Lets be real p4p barrera ****s all over corrales.

How can you compare the marquez that fought pac and the one that fought maywaether. Thats a sign of ***** thinking right there. pac got a win versus a hof fighter in his prime and in his weight class. Tell me one floyd victory thats better than that.

Have you ever taken the time to think that maybe, just maybe, the reason a Morales who couldn't even beat C Class fighters beat Pac in their first fight was because Pac isn't as great as you think he is? 1-5 buddy. And Pac fought Morales smack in the middle of that. Loss to Barerra, win over Pac, loss to Raheem, loss to Pac, loss to Pac, loss to Diaz. That's how that went. That's a pretty clear indication that he was no longer at his best.

I don't know what Barerra became after Junior Jones. I know he had two classic fights with Morales and beat an overrated Hamed. I just know that Pac didn't do anything to Barerra that hadn't already been done.

Once again, how can one say that the version of JMM that fought Mayweather isn't as good as the one that beat, yes beat Pac a year earlier. I mean, he beat Pac, then he turned around and KO'd Casamayor and Diaz who had never been stopped. Then after Mayweather, he's still looking like a beast. Personally, I don't he was as effective as a welterweight as he is as a lightwieght. But we only have a one fight resume to base that on.

BTW, I find it ironic that Pac's fans have no issue pointing out that Mayweather looked more effective against a "lesser" version of JMM. But, they never mention that Pac was more effective against a lesser version of de la Hoya. Why is that?