Comments Thread For: Bute vs Magee Continues To Loom For March 19 Clash

[BattlingNelson]

I'll try to make a case for Bute here:

Kessler: He turned him down right after he beat Berrio (in 2007). At the time, Bute had something like 19 fights. His trainer and his promoter were open about it. They were not fighting Kessler at that time because Bute wasn't experienced enough and not yet in his prime. They said he needed 2 more fights. The problem for them is that Bute got a shot at a belt earlier than they had expected, and wasn't quite ready for the very best in the division.

Froch: They were in discussion just before the S6 was announced. Bute didn't even know there was discussions to make a tourney (as per Ken Hershman). Bute had unfinished business eith Andrade (remember the Andrade I 12th round?) so he wanted to fight him again to clear things out. And Andrade was his mandatory. But since Froch was already having discussions to enter the S6, I feel like the Bute negociations were only a plan B for him.

Pascal: Lets look at the chronology of the events. Pascal beats Dawson August 14th. After the fight, Pascal calls Bute out. But at that time, Bute had already signed to fight Brinkley. Bute beats Brinkley on October 15th. But Pascal hadalready signed to fight Hopkins. And Pascal has to give Dawson a rematch next. I can't see exactly when the fight could've happened. Plus Bute's team said that if they were to move up to 175, it was for good. Bute's goal is to get in the HOF one day. If he moves up to LHW now, he hasn't done anything of significance at SMW, and it is hard to get to the HOF if you only dominated in 1 division.

Regarding Kessler that wasn't after Berrio, but after Zuniga.


As for Pascal the excuse from Bute was weight. He didn't want to go above 168. One week later his team announces they are in negotations to fight Danny Green..... Danny Green is a cruiserweight.

Do your own math.

[ny123]

Who the **** is Magee????

[Hitman932]

Regarding Kessler that wasn't after Berrio, but after Zuniga.


As for Pascal the excuse from Bute was weight. He didn't want to go above 168. One week later his team announces they are in negotations to fight Danny Green..... Danny Green is a cruiserweight.

Do your own math.

On top of that....

It sounds kind of silly to make the excuse that "Bute was not ready" for a Kessler fight when Andre Ward signed up for the same fight without ever having competed for a World Title.

Ward had even less experience as a pro and Bute was just as accomplished as an Amateur.

Furthermore looking at the chronology of the events between Pascal-Bute, Bute made it 100% clear that he was not going to fight Pascal right from the moment Pascal called him out. Pascal only signed to fight Hopkins after Bute made it abundantly clear that he was not willing to move up 7 lbs to fight a man who is physically smaller than him.

And as far as the Super 6 goes.... Bute apologists repeatedly point to the fact that Bute has not invited into the tournament as an excuse for his bum fighting tendencies. However, what they fail to acknowledge is that at that time Bute also made it clear that he did not feel jilted from being left out because he was not the least bit interested.

Bute was not going to sign any contract that would have required him to leave Montreal. Therefore he was not even worth approaching for the Super 6. Now people can say all they want about Ward fighting at home but the fact of the matter is that nobody would outside of Oakland gave a **** about seeing him fight Allan "Quitter" Green or Sakio Bika.

If Ward had to fight his original opponents, Taylor and Dirrell, he would have most likely had to move out of Oakland and win a neutral fight. Ward didn't make anyone back out.... in fact I believe he will see Abraham back out and Ward will have officially seen his last 3 opponents turn down the opportunity to fight him.

Fact of the matter is that Ward will absolutely have to leave Oakland to win this tournament at least once and maybe twice. He knew that when he signed the contracts, even if he also knew he might have the benefit of 3 home fights initially.

Bute, on the other hand, has shown no desire to leave Montreal, and will likely insist on Ward going there to fight him.

My guess is this:

After ducking Pascal with the excuse that he is waiting on The Super 6 to complete he will then refuse to fight Ward anywhere but Montreal. Ward, who will have already beaten a slew of top 168 lb'ers and have also left home to prove himself, will have no reason, nor should he be expected, to agree to such ludicrous demands.

After ducking out on the Ward challenge Bute will then become keen on fighting Pascal because it will allow him to remain in Montreal, and he will be able to pad his wallet with these pathetic matchups in the meantime.

I feel sorry for Showtime, they jumped the gun on Bute and will be left paying for 3 terrible fights and then Bute will become a free agent again and HBO will have the chance to steal him away for the big fight that Showtime ******ly believed they would get.

[Sweet Jesus]

Bute is trash.

[Hitman932]

Bute is trash.

He sure is. I don't know why I bothered to elaborate on all the reasons he is ***** made.

His fans are in serious loser denial and even if Bute himself said he was ducking Pascal they wouldn't acknowledge the fact.

[Taranazan]

Regarding Kessler that wasn't after Berrio, but after Zuniga.


As for Pascal the excuse from Bute was weight. He didn't want to go above 168. One week later his team announces they are in negotations to fight Danny Green..... Danny Green is a cruiserweight.

Do your own math.

Wasn't Kessler in court with his promoter at that time? And he fought Perdomo because he wanted a tune up before the S6 began. I doubt he wanted to fight Bute after a year out of the ring...

And Bute's promoter mentionned Green's name because he is knowned in Quebec for fighting Lucas and I'm not sure he was fully aware Green now fights at cruiserweight. If I remember correctly, they were talking about a fight at 170, max 172. They don't want to go at 175 and then come back at 168 because if Bute adds muscle, he will drain himself to make 168 after that.

And for those who say Bute don't want to fight better competition, you have to admit that he was unlucky with Pavlik losing to Martinez. Had Pavlik won, there would not have been a Brinkley fight. And now with Dirrell and Kessler injured, he doesn't have an opponent for March, whereas he should have one that was eliminated from the S6.

[BattlingNelson]

Wasn't Kessler in court with his promoter at that time? And he fought Perdomo because he wanted a tune up before the S6 began. I doubt he wanted to fight Bute after a year out of the ring...

And Bute's promoter mentionned Green's name because he is knowned in Quebec for fighting Lucas and I'm not sure he was fully aware Green now fights at cruiserweight. If I remember correctly, they were talking about a fight at 170, max 172. They don't want to go at 175 and then come back at 168 because if Bute adds muscle, he will drain himself to make 168 after that.

And for those who say Bute don't want to fight better competition, you have to admit that he was unlucky with Pavlik losing to Martinez. Had Pavlik won, there would not have been a Brinkley fight. And now with Dirrell and Kessler injured, he doesn't have an opponent for March, whereas he should have one that was eliminated from the S6.

No. Kessler was still with his old promotor and was desperately looking for a fight.

I'm sure his promotor knew that Green was a cruiserweight. He had just KTFO Roy Jones Jr. for some inferior alphabet strap (IBO). So Bute not wanting to go up in weight to face Pascal and then pursuing a goddamn cruiserweight the week after just doesn't add up. I smell feathers.

[americanbot]

wooooooooooooow

[cupocity303]

Lucian Bute is a bum.

His promotional company and his team are pimping him, milking that money on their turf for as long as they can, fighting tomato cans like this.

And he will oblige them gladly. As far as my 168 list goes, from all the top fighters, Bute is last on the list.

1. Andre Ward

2. Carl Froch (Mikkel Kessler Emeritus)

3. Andre Dirrel

4. Arthur Abraham

5. Glen Johnson

6. Lucian Bute

[Taranazan]

No. Kessler was still with his old promotor and was desperately looking for a fight.

I'm sure his promotor knew that Green was a cruiserweight. He had just KTFO Roy Jones Jr. for some inferior alphabet strap (IBO). So Bute not wanting to go up in weight to face Pascal and then pursuing a goddamn cruiserweight the week after just doesn't add up. I smell feathers.

He had just KTFO Jones, who usually fights at 175... Bute's promoter (Jean Bédard) isn't a boxing man. He has the money and is a good negociator and a smart business man, but boxingwise he relies on other people, mostly Bute's coach, Stéphane Larouche.

As for Kessler, he was still under contract with Palle, but in open conflict. And Kessler was already supposed to fight Perdomo when Bute fought Zuniga, or at least he was 2 weeks after the Bute-Zuniga fight.