Weight drained, shot, damaged good? How?

**starkiller** · 12-15-2010, 05:11 AM

Mosley has a loss and a draw in his last two fights. How do you get a fight against Pacquiao with those type of performances?

Especially since Roach said that Mosley was too good for Pacquiao to fight like a year or 2 ago.

**MtClimber** · 12-15-2010, 05:16 AM

I'm not talking on Mosley or a specific fighter, I just want to know those. If Mosley belongs to that, which I think 100% yes, then please explain in your own opinion.

Please do not divert the topic.

**RockyB** · 12-15-2010, 05:21 AM

Good post TS, i think people jump to conclusions way to fast on here..

**MtClimber** · 12-15-2010, 05:24 AM

Maybe it's better to say Weight Drained vs Weight Drained, not Pacman only vs Weight Drained

**MtClimber** · 12-15-2010, 05:29 AM

For those weight drained, shot, damaged good posters maybe they can educate me more. Some of the threads here has these words

**White Briton** · 12-15-2010, 05:40 AM

Ok then, let's see.

1.) Antonio Margarito
This man was exposed as a cheat of the highest order and then promptly exposed, 22 months before his fight with Pacquiao. Bob Arum was probably sure that Marg would pose no threat to his cash cow without concrete in his gloves. See the fights with Clottey, P. Will and the Mosley fight if you would like to see the true Margarito.

2.) Joshua Clottey
A slow, plodding, hardworking but very limited boxer who was outboxed by damaged goods in Cotto and the real Margarito.

3.) Miguel Angel Cotto
This man was never going to be the same again after getting beaten BADLY by a dirty cheat with concrete in his gloves, as was evident in his struggle to overcome Clottey. When a fighter thrives on his unbeaten and invincible reputation it has irreversable effects when he is beaten and bloodied and battered thoroughly. It does things mentally to a fighter. I will give you examples if you don't understand. Was also somewhat exposed by Shane Mosley prior to the Margarito fight.

4.) Ricky Hatton
A fighter who was exposed by Luis Collazo, and then again in more brutal fashion by Floyd Mayweather Jr. Hatton was done as a top fighter after the Mayweather fight. An accident waiting to happen. All his dreams went out of the window in 60 minutes with Mayweather. After that, every second interview was about retirement, he ballooned up in weight, just was not the fighter he once was. The motivation was gone.

He arguably would have got stopped by Juan Laszcano if it wasn't for hometown refereeing, was in a "tough fight" and marked up badly in a fight with feather-fisted Paulie Malignaggi. And let's not forget, he is a brawler, we all know this. Yet his trainer for the fight was a man solely about boxing skills and slickness, speed, using footwork. All things Hatton never had. This fight in particular is just a tragedy if you think about it long enough. The Hatton that fought Mayweather would have given Pacquiao a hell of a fight.

5.) Oscar De La Hoya
In the fight with Mayweather, it was clear to see that Oscar was just that little bit over the hill, so much so that he wasn't gonna win. Don't get me wrong though, Oscar put alot into this and made it a really hard fight. The stark contrast then in the fight a year later with Steve Forbes was shocking to behold. Oscar got beat up in that fight, and looked weak at the weight, at 150lb. He got ****** up bad. It was clear to see he had declined rapidly in the 12 months since the Mayweather fight.

Then of course, 7 months later he faces Pacquiao, and has to cut even more weight, down to a weight he hasn't made for 8 years previously. Oscar looked malnourished, like a walking corpse, it was plain for everybody to see. He was a total shell of his former self, and Pacquiao was able to out-strength him with little trouble. Weakness at the weight, slowness, and lack of punch resistance are all clear signs of over-doing the weight cutting. All signs which were clear in this fight.

Hope this helps you understand a little better.

**paulf** · 12-15-2010, 05:44 AM

I respect what you're saying, but this is how the business works. Manny took he risks against tough guys when he was on the come up. Now that he has pretty much established his legacy and made his money, you see him in fights like Margarito. Like Clottey. Like Shane.

For the record, Oscar was obviously and undeniably seriously weight drained. Remember he didn't even make weight against Steve Forbes in his previous fight at a catch-weight of 150 (He came i at 151.5 i think)

I think Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey did the best they could ever do against Pac. He deserves credit for all those wins. But remember those guys did already have *****s in their armor from recent losses. Thats not Manny's fault, but that's reality.

Personally, I think Manny is one of the greatest fights ever, but if he's going to keep fighting I'd like to see him take on the real challenges instead of fight these easy-win paydays. I want to see him take on Marquez at 140. I want to see him fight Berto. Mayweather and Martinez are of course unlikely but they would be great challenges with great rewards.

I mean, there's a reason he's been the huge favorite in every fight since DLH. His opponents had very little chance against him.

(Haha, Boxingscene censors the word c-h-i-n-k. The racial slur isnt even the real meaning of the word. Lol)

**Mr. Mandingo** · 12-15-2010, 05:52 AM

The *****s have inherited Mayweather Sr's brain and ugly looks. true story....

**cixthree** · 12-15-2010, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by MtClimber

Well, I read a lot about Pacman fighting weight drained, past his prime, a shot, damaged goods, etc. fighters.

Now, please educate me on how to determine if a fighter belongs to that.

Currently, this is what I knew about:

Weight Drained - didn't almost all the fighters drained themselves to make the contracted weight? Look at those WW who normally walks at middle or SM. Or those 126-130 who normally walks at LW or WW? Didn't they drained themselves? Oh and way back didn't Pac drained himself to make 126-130? Why now it seems that it's only Pac fighting a weight-drained fighters? Barrera, Morales, Marquez - didn't they fought a weight-drained Pacman? And of course Pac's last KO was because he was so weight drained that he already lost his belt before the fight.

Shot- when and how? what are the criteria?

Damaged Good - I read here that Cotto is already a damaged good when Pac fought him. Why? Bec. of that war with Margo? Hatton damaged by Floyd? Really? If that's the logic, then Pacman is the more damaged good than his opponents. If you have watched "The Destroyer" (former nick) since his "Blow By Blow" days on IBC 13 or his championship fights at RPN 9, you can say that Pacman absorbed more punishments than almost (if not all) of his opponents because of his "bara-bara" style. So Pacman is a damaged good, yes or no?

Past Prime - by age? when? how?

Someone lecture me, please

How much does Top Rank pay you guys to do this?

Weight drained, shot, damaged good? How?