Where does Victor Ortiz go from here?

[bojangles1987]

I think Victor didn't look all that good against peterson but I thought he clearly won the fight on Saturday against a very good and very slick boxer.

And this whole he doesn't have any heart is just more ****** boxing fan nonsense. The guy has pleanty of heart he just got beat in one very competative and brutal fight.

If his body said he couldn't go on then so be it! I still don't understand why you ******s feel like Victor "had to" get knocked the *** out. he was beaten why take more punishment? Seems pretty ****** to me!

It's the way he has reacted in fights since that make people question his heart. He ran from Nate Campbell. He won't take chances because he is scared to get hit. He doesn't look like he is having fun.

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It's the way he has reacted in fights since that make people question his heart. He ran from Nate Campbell. He won't take chances because he is scared to get hit. He doesn't look like he is having fun.

But thats exactly why he lost against maidana, because he decided to slug and took to many chances.

I think he just learned his lesson is all and decided to box more. And he didn't run from Nate at all. What fight were you watching? Nate stayed in his shell the whole fight and couldn't pull the trigger on anything. Thats why hes retiring dude.

[Eaner0919]

In the fight with Harris ortiz rehydrated to 152 and for Peterson he rehydrated to 156...Ortiz squared up against Peterson instead of making himself a flatter target like he did against Harris....

well don't you think that's because every time Harris was hit he went down.

I mean it's easy to look good when you have a willing participant. Harris was that guy

I don't think 140 is his weight class anymore and that he needs a trainer that can motivate him...even on a new interview Ortiz said he took some rounds off because he thought he was ahead after the knock downs, and he said he didn't want to get careless and finish off Peterson because Peterson is young and still in his prime which meant he can't stop him?

but that's HIS mentality not his coaches. Ortiz has become aloof and indifferent to the whole boxing game. Someone I trust asked a GBP exec what he thought about Vic's performance and the guy rolled his eyes and said he didn't know what to think of Vic anymore

...I think Danny Garcia made Ortiz believe that he can't stop Peterson which is dumb because he dropped him twice and there were times where it would have been more knock downs had he not held on to Ortiz.

no he didn't. I can see where he may have sat on his lead BUT it's also up to Ortiz to adjust according to what HE sees as well. He had Peterson in dire straits and backed off. That is a bad trait to have

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.I think that the weight was the issue and his trainer didn't prepare him for this fight...Danny Garcia didn't seem to have a game plan to help Ortiz adjust...wether ortiz has the killer instinct or not it is also the trainer's job to be a mentor for his fighter...

sounds like excuse making 101

I also remembered in the maidana fight that his trainer told ortiz he was gonna stop the fight? You don't tell your fighter that after being knocked down once and still leading the score cards...then against Peterson he told ortiz to take it easy after knocking Peterson down...WTF is that?

this I do agree with I don't think Danny is a world class trainer but it's not like Vic listens all that well either

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well don't you think that's because every time Harris was hit he went down.

I mean it's easy to look good when you have a willing participant. Harris was that guy



but that's HIS mentality not his coaches. Ortiz has become aloof and indifferent to the whole boxing game. Someone I trust asked a GBP exec what he thought about Vic's performance and the guy rolled his eyes and said he didn't know what to think of Vic anymore



no he didn't. I can see where he may have sat on his lead BUT it's also up to Ortiz to adjust according to what HE sees as well. He had Peterson in dire straits and backed off. That is a bad trait to have

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sounds like excuse making 101



this I do agree with I don't think Danny is a world class trainer but it's not like Vic listens all that well either

Arn't you friends with the Roberto garcia/Rios camp?

[Eaner0919]

I agree with this 100% and this is where people will say that Maidana ruinned him but if anything Maidana smartened him up, although it could have cost him the fight here... it will definitely reward him a few victories in the long run.

I don't agree with this

I think essentially there are a handful of opponents you need to be wary of at all times with Maidana being the extreme case

just about everyone else you should be able to balance aggression and caution and that is something Vic is having issue with right now

Vic is a lot like Wlad right now. It was in trying to finish Maidana that he was beaten. With Wlad, it was in trying to finish BRewster that he was beaten. Those are scars that wont go away and i'll expect them both to always take their foot off the gas several times now in an attempt to prevent situations liek that from happening again.

but the major difference between the two is that when Wlad smells blood he goes for it

Vic takes his foot off the pedal seemingly

Lamont had a great countering game during the fight though and maybe Ortiz felt as though coming in too heavy would be a little too costly. Hard to say whats going through the guys head but personally i think Lamont did enough to gain ORtiz's respect and thats what happened.. Ortiz became too respectful.

I gave Peterson a hell of a chance to win

that being said when Vic had him in dire straits he needed to instill his will and gameplan and he simply didn't

[Eaner0919]

Arn't you friends with the Roberto garcia/Rios camp?

sure but I like Vic a lot he has always been great with me and we have a good repoir

see unlike some I can try and not let my biases control my opinions


what I see in there is a far cry from the kid I touted as a can't miss prospect

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Here is Victor now doing his new thing;'

GIFSoup

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sure but I like Vic a lot he has always been great with me and we have a good repoir

see unlike some I can try and not let my biases control my opinions


what I see in there is a far cry from the kid I touted as a can't miss prospect

Fair enough I always respected you as a poster and Im glad you arn't being biased.

I think the Peterson fight had more to do with a clash of styles rather than Peterson actually fighting on even terms with Vic. I agree Vic should have asserted himself more when he had peterson down twice but I can see why he's being cautious because the last time he did that was against Maidana and we all know what happened there. Honestly I think he's still getting his convfidence back and eventually he will be fine.

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Here is Victor now doing his new thing;'

GIFSoup

Once again leave it to the Rican to bring up gay shhiitt.

[Eaner0919]

Fair enough I always respected you as a poster and Im glad you arn't being biased.

I think the Peterson fight had more to do with a clash of styles rather than Peterson actually fighting on even terms with Vic. I agree Vic should have asserted himself more when he had peterson down twice but I can see why he's being cautious because the last time he did that was against Maidana and we all know what happened there. Honestly I think he's still getting his convfidence back and eventually he will be fine.

IMO there is balance and right now I think Vic is swaying way too much on the caution side of things

you keep referring to the Maidana fight as an indication as to what happens when you are aggressive and I disagree in the sense that I think Vic fought the dumbest fight you could against Maidana. He tried to out slug a slugger. He went toe to toe way too often and it kept Maidana in the ball game.

that aside what he should have learned instead of being overly cautious as there are times to be aggressive (not against pure punchers like Maidana) and a time to be agressive (like say round 4 of the Peterson fight)

he hasn't learned that yet

and he was indeed passive against Nate