Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Marcos Maidana @ 140?

[bojangles1987]

what what part of the fight did he have problems handling the size and power of katsidis and jaun diaz? lmao both fighters are faster an more active than maidana. who seems to have bad stamina cant take body shots bad technique and is the 2nd slowest boxer behind margirito. the **** outta here marquez would knock his ass out. khan made maidana look better than what he is. just like vernon forrest made mayaorga look better than what he was. the fact marquez out punched out landed and knocked both of them out.

i swear i would think 90% of the posters on this board just started watching boxing this past summer.

Did you watch any of the rounds other than when he stopped Diaz and Katsidis? They were able to push him around and bully Marquez at will, and neither is that strong, especially not compared to Maidana. Maidana is plenty fast enough to catch Khan and Ortiz, two guys who move much faster than Marquez does and punch WAY harder, so I don't know how you think Marquez could stop Maidana. He's taken much harder punches than anything Marquez would hit him with.

Marquez is not that good defensively. Diaz and Katsidis hit him a LOT. Marquez is just so damn good at counter punching that he is able to fend these guys off just enough to wear them down. Maidana would hit him, he would hit him a lot, and he would hit him harder than anyone has ever hit Marquez. Maidana is a step too far. Styles eventually stop mattering when a fighter is stretching beyond his physical limits, and Marquez at 140 against Maidana is beyond his physical limits.

[americanbot]

Marquez could barely handle Diaz and Katsidis. Maidana is Godzilla compared to those two. Marquez isn't fast, he wouldn't have any real speed advantage at 140. He wouldn't be able to hurt Maidana either. So he would be sitting on the ropes trying to fend off a monster and he wouldn't be able to do it. If you can't get away from Maidana or hurt him, you are f***ed.

marquez put on a shut out against diaz in their 2nd fight & knocked him out in their first fight. how is that struggling with diaz? WTF? marquez countered and battered Katsidis. i didn't see him struggling against katsidis. if anything both men were just throwing many punches in an intense war. also, maidana is slow compared to marquez. i would say a 140 pound marquez is even faster then maidana. marquez would be able to hurt maidana as long as the fight goes. in other words, the longer the fight goes the greater the chance of maidana being hurt because marquez picks up his combinations & maidana becomes more sluggish..


marquez has always done well against guys who came foward to him.

[bojangles1987]

marquez put on a shut out against diaz in their 2nd fight & knocked him out in their first fight. how is that struggling with diaz? WTF? marquez countered and battered Katsidis. i didn't see him struggling against katsidis. if anything both men were just throwing many punches in an intense war. also, maidana is slow compared to marquez. i would say a 140 pound marquez is even faster then maidana. marquez would be able to hurt maidana as long as the fight goes. in other words, the longer the fight goes the greater the chance of maidana being hurt because marquez picks up his combinations & maidana becomes more sluggish..


marquez has always done well against guys who came foward to him.

The first Diaz fight was FOTY. That implies the other guy was doing damn well. To say he didn't struggle with Diaz the first time around is ridiculous.

Katsidis hit Marquez a lot. He knocked him down. He made Marquez work. The fight is a FOTY candidate. Again, how is that not struggling?

Marquez is not fast. Where are you getting that from? He won't be able to escape Maidana's pressure, which means the only chance he would have is having to take Maidana's punches, which would be harder than any punches Marquez has ever had to take, including Pacquiao, and hope his counter punching hits hard enough to back Maidana up, which it wouldn't considering Maidana took brutal combinations against Khan and Ortiz, who hit much, much harder than Marquez and couldn't back Maidana up at all. That's what Marquez did to Diaz and Katsidis. He couldn't escape their punches, so he had to fire back with his own and hope he backed them up which they did.

So you really think an even slower, even weaker, Marquez would be able to back off a guy Ortiz and Khan didn't? Even when they were knocking the guy down and landing big combos? Marquez is maybe my favorite fighter right now but I have to look like I'm a damn hater because you people have such ridiculous expectations for him.

[americanbot]

word i really wanna know what these posters are watching or smoking. maidana boxing is ****ty and khan has no defense no boxing iq. maidana stamina was shot his punchout sucks his technique is horrible. marquez would be landing at will. how will maidana knock him out when manny coulnt. he will see marcos punches comming a mile away. his pressure isnt like katsidis or iaz or as skilled and experienced as casamyor and marquez still knocked them out. too accurate to skilled too good.

i agree. how one could compare maidanas pressure to katsidis is BEYOND ME. you would have to be a ****** of the highest order. 1st of all katsidi bounces and ALWAYS moves his head. ALWAYS MOVES HIS HEAD. his foot speed is greater then maidanas. maidana is more of a wild slow looping puncher with *pressure* compared to katsidis...

[Swag Hustla]

I think Marquez would beat Maidana.

That why I voted for "Martinez" by decision.

I thought I just wasn't paying attention at first.

[Red Rebel]

Marquez should stay at 135 until his last fight... he has no business moving up.

[americanbot]

The first Diaz fight was FOTY. That implies the other guy was doing damn well. To say he didn't struggle with Diaz the first time around is ridiculous.

Katsidis hit Marquez a lot. He knocked him down. He made Marquez work. The fight is a FOTY candidate. Again, how is that not struggling?

Marquez is not fast. Where are you getting that from? He won't be able to escape Maidana's pressure, which means the only chance he would have is having to take Maidana's punches, which would be harder than any punches Marquez has ever had to take, including Pacquiao, and hope his counter punching hits hard enough to back Maidana up, which it wouldn't considering Maidana took brutal combinations against Khan and Ortiz, who hit much, much harder than Marquez and couldn't back Maidana up at all. That's what Marquez did to Diaz and Katsidis. He couldn't escape their punches, so he had to fire back with his own and hope he backed them up which they did.

So you really think an even slower, even weaker, Marquez would be able to back off a guy Ortiz and Khan didn't? Even when they were knocking the guy down and landing big combos? Marquez is maybe my favorite fighter right now but I have to look like I'm a damn hater because you people have such ridiculous expectations for him.

you ARE a hater only pretending to be a fan of JMM LOL only a hater would come up with such none sense.

1st thing. do you know what struggle means? struggling against a fighter = BARELY winning a decision you fool. getting a draw. a split decision. just because you didn't ALL out dominate EVERY second of the fight doesn't mean you struggled. YES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A HATER WHICH U ARE. i think pac hit marquez harder then what maidana would hit him because he didn't see pacs punches coming. maidanas shots are slow wild looping punches. although hard. you can see them coming. a shot chop chop corely almost beat maidana just by countering him. maidana's only shot would be a punchers chance. ortiz doesn't have the heart of marquez. nore does he have the boxing iq of marquez. marquez would counterfest maidana.

[SOPH~ REP.]

I got miadana by knock out, marquez willing to **** gets him in trouble mid fight plus to much power for maidana jmm 's chin won't hold up @140

[MacDaRippa]

Final punchstat for Marquez vs Katsidis


Marquez - 327/628 = 52%

katsidis - 194/630 = 31%

For an aging marquez against such a young mobile fighter, I think he did great.

[bojangles1987]

you ARE a hater only pretending to be a fan of JMM LOL only a hater would come up with such none sense.

1st thing. do you know what struggle means? struggling against a fighter = BARELY winning a decision you fool. getting a draw. a split decision. just because you didn't ALL out dominate EVERY second of the fight doesn't mean you struggled. YES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A HATER WHICH U ARE. i think pac hit marquez harder then what maidana would hit him because he didn't see pacs punches coming. maidanas shots are slow wild looping punches. although hard. you can see them coming. a shot chop chop corely almost beat maidana just by countering him. maidana's only shot would be a punchers chance. ortiz doesn't have the heart of marquez. nore does he have the boxing iq of marquez. marquez would counterfest maidana.

That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site, by far. By that logic, Corrales did not struggle with Castillo, Ali did not struggle with Frazier or Foreman, Segura did not struggle with Calderon, Margarito did not struggle with Cotto, Cotto did not struggle with Judah, Leonard did not struggle with Hearns, etc.

If Maidana's punches are so easy to see coming and avoid, then how is he doing so well against top tier competition who cannot avoid those slow, looping punches? And since when is Marquez so hard to hit? Again, did you watch the Diaz and Katsidis fights besides the rounds he scored the KOs in? Did you watch the Pacquiao fights? Did you see him fight Barrera and Chris John? Did you watch him fight Casamoyer?

There is seriously no logic to your argument, you just keep saying Maidana is slow and Marquez will counterpunch him. Okay, but how will he handle being pinned against the ropes often against Maidana? How will he handle a guy who punches so hard, again harder than anyone except maybe Pacquiao Marquez has ever fought? How will he handle Maidana's own will and heart? How will he avoid Maidana's punches?