Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao vs Martinez at 147-Pounds is Ridiculous

[Boxing's Truth]

"Bob Arum Is Ruining Boxing; Boycott Top Rank"


2010 - Manny Pacquiao v Antonio Margarito

2010 - Kelly Pavlik v Julio Chavez Jr. (Fight was cancelled due to Pavlik's unfortunate addiction to alcohol, for which he is currently in treatment)

2010 - Miguel Cotto v Yuri Foreman

2009 - Miguel Cotto v Manny Pacquiao

2009 - Miguel Cotto v Joshua Clottey

2008 - Miguel Cotto v Antonio Margarito

2008 - Manny Pacquiao v Joshua Clottey

2008 - Miguel Cotto v Alfonso Gomez

2008 - Manny Pacquiao v David Diaz

1999 - Arum previously denies, but later admits (under oath) during a Federal racketeering trial that he bribed the International Boxing Federation President by paying him $100,000 in order to get the IBF to sanction a George Foreman fight.

1995 - Arum is penalized $125,000 by the Nevada State Athletic Commission for a bribe to get one of his fighters a higher ranking

** It must be noted that the other promoters identified in the Federal sting were New Jersey based promoter Dino Duva, who admitted paying a $25,000 bribe, promoter Cedric Kushner admitted paying $100,000 in bribes and Promoter Don King who was on video tape "regularly" paying for rankings for his fighters.

As the former Harvard Law Student and Federal prosecutor would do in trying to make a case, I am trying to establish a pattern. The pattern is that Bob Arum has been and continues to keep his fighters fighting "in-house," as other promoters call him, "In-House Bob." Quite fitting I believe. The other is to establish the corrupt nature of the promoter, specifically for this article, Bob Arum.
Bob Arum takes 26% of Manny's and other fighters' purse and as long as Manny and other Top Rank fighters continue to fight Top Rank fighters, Bob will continue to take in upwards up 52% of the total fight purse.
While this may sound like good business to some of you, the fact that there are very good candidates in other promotional companies that would give Manny Pacquiao and other Top Rank belt holders a very good fight, and would actually display some lateral movement, probably scares old Bob.
I for one believe that Andre Berto should be the fighter who is next in line for Manny. (I obviously would like to see the fight that the rest of the world would like to see, but let's put that debate aside for now). However, after watching Berto's last performance, I'm sure Bob does not want to take that chance. This is the same reason that Bob recently turned down $5 million for a Sergio Martinez v Miguel Cotto match. Bob knows that Miguel would lose his WBA belt and would rather match him up with another Top Rank fighter so as to pad his pockets more and keep a belt-holder in the stable, regardless of the outcome. It's a win-win for Bob, but nothing but a losing scenario for fight fans. And now with Shane Mosley all but signed to Top Rank, maybe just for a Pacquiao fight, Manny will surely fight another Top Rank fighter.
The below is a recent quote from Bob regarding the backlash from fans and bloggers regarding a match-up between Manny Pacquiao and Shane Mosley...

"I don't care. I don't care what the so-called boxing fans and bloggers have to say. I really don't."

You don't care? You don't care about the people that spend their hard-earned money, especially in these historically bad economic times? Who do you think pays to watch your fights?

The below quote is Bob's take on HBO and Showtime putting together fights on their own. (only because Arum proposed fights that neither company wanted to put up money for, I'm guessing they were all Top Rank fighters if I follow history)

"Instead of working with promoters, like they have done in the past, they have become promoters themselves. They make the fights just like promoters and pay fighters", Arum said. "It's their money and they can do what they want, but Don King doesn't have to go along with it and neither do I. King and I can get along without HBO or Showtime."

To which I say good luck you selfish prick.

Last but not least is my favorite Bob Arum quote...

"I was lying yesterday. Today I am telling the truth."

Bob Arum, YOU are what is ruining this sport. The prevention of the best fighters fighting the best opposition will continue to hinder the sport and prevent it from reaching it's potential as it has previously in decades past.
You are, and have been ruining the sport I love and kept me out of trouble as a youth. I truly believe that if it was not for the sport of boxing and my local PAL, I would not have graduated college with two degrees, much less graduated from High School. This is why I am so boisterous about this topic, because I see the problem with the sport that helped me and so many others through adolescence in **** neighborhoods, yet nothing seems to be done about it. So I am calling for a boycott of Top Rank Promotions. If we cannot have a single commission in charge, then we must weed out what is wrong with the sport and start with the promoters who refuse to "not care" what the people who pay them want.
The fighter is the only one on the ring taking the beating. There is no pension, no medical insurance and no one to give any legal advise. In fact, some promoters actually prohibit fighters from seeking outside, independent legal opinions. So again, if we cannot have a single commission, then we must weed out the corrupt promoter and start at the "Top."
Boycott Top Rank.

I did bother to read this. This is some good shiiitt. People here say Floyd is "chicken" like they are in recess at some elementary school playground but don't understand the sport or the business.

Floyd doesn't want to deal with Arum. And Pac ain't in a rush to demand a fight with Floyd from Arum because Arum doesn't want to deal with Floyd.

Don't you numbnuts know that this is a ***in business. All this "he's scared, he's ducking" is little kid bulllshhiiit.

When you are privied to some of these close door meetings between fighters and promoters about negotiations then post your dumb shhhiiittt. But we are not privied to them. The information we get is what the media puts out.

And if you notice, credible media outlets (ESPN, Fox Sports, Ring Mag) rarely put out anything about Pac or Floyd unless they just had a fight or signed to fight.

But all of these Okey Doke so called reporters posting stuff on sites like this one are always putting out dumb shiiittt about Floyd said this, Pac said that and we sit here like monkeys eating the shhiiittt.

[Pullcounter]

bob arum and don king are the only true promoters left.

everyone else are just glorifed booking agents for HBO and SHowtime.

[sweetscience18]

All of this is great information but the ones who you are trying to bring to themlight will not care if arums a snake and if his stable is babied..all they care about hyping up there hero..arums ruining boxing and taking as much money as he can while doing it..anyone who supports this is an obvious dckhead.

I did bother to read this. This is some good shiiitt. People here say Floyd is "chicken" like they are in recess at some elementary school playground but don't understand the sport or the business.

Floyd doesn't want to deal with Arum. And Pac ain't in a rush to demand a fight with Floyd from Arum because Arum doesn't want to deal with Floyd.

Don't you numbnuts know that this is a ***in business. All this "he's scared, he's ducking" is little kid bulllshhiiit.

When you are privied to some of these close door meetings between fighters and promoters about negotiations then post your dumb shhhiiittt. But we are not privied to them. The information we get is what the media puts out.

And if you notice, credible media outlets (ESPN, Fox Sports, Ring Mag) rarely put out anything about Pac or Floyd unless they just had a fight or signed to fight.

But all of these Okey Doke so called reporters posting stuff on sites like this one are always putting out dumb shiiittt about Floyd said this, Pac said that and we sit here like monkeys eating the shhiiittt.

[Russian Crushin]

Lol at Canelo being a Welterweight

You mean Saul Alvarez who began his career at 140 and fought pretty much his entire career at 147

Although his last 3 fights were at 150, why would he have a 150 catchweight f hes going to be fighting at anything higher?

Saul is A WW

[WESS]

bob arum and don king are the only true promoters left.

everyone else are just glorifed booking agents for HBO and SHowtime.

Dana White > Bob Arum/Don King

[JoeDaWg]

duhhh I think pac should fight ward or he's a fake!!!!

Say what u want about arum, he's 100% right on this one. The only morons who think pac should face martinez are fools who are so blinded by hate, that they let their brains turn into mush. One dude is a middle weight, one dude isn't even a real welterweight. It's not that hard to figure out, i promise.

[WESS]

Say what u want about arum, he's 100% right on this one. The only morons who think pac should face martinez are fools who are so blinded by hate, that they let their brains turn into mush. One dude is a middle weight, one dude isn't even a real welterweight. It's not that hard to figure out, i promise.

I guess you really think that Pac is a joke.... talking about "hating" and being a "moron" all at the same time!

Pac has a JMW title (Martinez's old title) and your saying Pac isnt even a "REAL WW".

That says a lot and it didn't help your agenda what so ever.

[brooklyngod]

its not even worth talking about the sergio vs manny fight its pointless but as for the sergio vs miguel fight that sucks its not going to happen at least for know. i suppose then the miguel vs antonio 2 fight will happen before, then hopefully comes serg vs mig or serg vs ant 2

[Skills_Vs_Pills]

I guess you really think that Pac is a joke.... talking about "hating" and being a "moron" all at the same time!

Pac has a JMW title (Martinez's old title) and your saying Pac isnt even a "REAL WW".

That says a lot and it didn't help your agenda what so ever.

*******s are known to be not so bright.

Deep down, most *******s know the joke Pac is becoming.

They're trying desperately to make Pac/Mosley seem like it's a dangerous and REAL fight.

Something Pac hasn't had since 2008, when Marquez showed Pac that even four years later and much improved, he still isn't ****.

Kinda makes you think why Pac has been fighting carefully hand picked opponents for the last 3 years?

[PRBOXINGCOTTO]

Arum you br doing the same ****