Comments Thread For: Montiel Says: "I Hope This Time Donaire Doesn't Back Out"

[miron_lang]

Im betting 2 Billions points on Donairre



Pls PM if interested.

[Apple Mac]

Im betting 2 Billions points on Donairre



Pls PM if interested.

sorry im new here? please teach me how to bet the points?

[mathed]

Donaire is gonna jab Montiel up from afar and then shock him with the counter right as he comes in. Great fight but Donaire wins a UD....

[theplayerpimp]

Did you see what Montiel did to Hasegawa and Castillo? Those are REAL fighters, not those scrubs donaire is fed. Why would Montiel fear donaire for dominating a bum. Last i checked he went 12 with conception, Montiel KOed him in three. If anything nonito is ****ting his pants, which is why it took so long for this fight to unfold. Lets see if the fight gets made

Yeah i totally agree montiel is the more proven fighter hits harder and has a good chin. He is also the bigger draw nonito cant draw flys to ****. But for me its a toss up fight bc of donaires size and speed againts montiel power and determination. But i think montiel is gona prove the haters wrong once more like he did against hasagawa who was invincible acording to most on here. And hopefully they put a good undercard not the jones karass crap.

[brooklyngod]

like i said before who gives a **** a s s, just f u c k e n fight and it will be a great match i.m.o. two men battling and giving it there all to win the fight.

[bbos]

Montiel is just as quick as nonito, and he has more power in his left hand, i believe he will break the fillipino's jaw

[grayfist]

Montiel only took 3 rounds to dispatch Concepcion while Donaire didn't manage a stoppage,and, Donaire stopped Luis Maldonado in 8 while it took Montiel less than half that time (Round 3) to put Maldonado away. Ergo, Montiel is better.

Reasonable conclusion?

If that is so, then there should be no more argument against the propositionn that Pacquiao is better than Mayweather because he stopped Hatton much earlier than Mayweather did and forced a stoppage on Oscar while Floyd only eked out a Split Decision.

But, shouldn't there be?

On Montiel-Hasegawa: Montiel took out Hasegawa in the 4th. True. But, equally true is that Hasegawa had all the previous three rounds in his pocket and was on the way to winning round 4 when, mere seconds towards the round's end, he got caught by a hook that sent him reeling towards the ropes on which he held to as Montiel finished the job. (The stoppage was controversial, at least in Japan, because the bell sounded as the ref stepped in. Many argue that had the ref waited half a second more Hasegawa would have been saved by the bell, recover, and then go on to pile up points as was his custom. Personally, I thought he was really, really out).

To say that Hasegawa's power is mediocre is to be generous; he only has a KO/TKO ratio of 37.5 % (12 KO's in 32 fights). "Poor", perhaps, is the accurate description. Points was very often the way he won. Montiel knew that as did most of those who cared to know about such things. He knew that power was on his side and he can step in through Hasegawa's fluries to drop bombs. But it was not easy. Montiel was wild most times. Until they both landed a power shot each, simultaneously, thereby proving what everyone knew all along: Montiel packed the lethal punch.

Hasegawa's power lack and the initial rounds of Montiel-Hasegaw reminded me of Montiel-Z Gorres, some two years earlier. Although Gorres had something like a 10% better KO record than Hasegawa, no reasonably independent observer expected Gorres to stop Montiel. If Gorres was to win, it would have to be over the full route. And, it did go to the final bell. But it was Montiel who won by SD, with a good amount of help from Samuel Viruet (the ref).

[theplayerpimp]

Montiel only took 3 rounds to dispatch Concepcion while Donaire didn't manage a stoppage,and, Donaire stopped Luis Maldonado in 8 while it took Montiel less than half that time (Round 3) to put Maldonado away. Ergo, Montiel is better.

Reasonable conclusion?

If that is so, then there should be no more argument against the propositionn that Pacquiao is better than Mayweather because he stopped Hatton much earlier than Mayweather did and forced a stoppage on Oscar while Floyd only eked out a Split Decision.

But, shouldn't there be?

On Montiel-Hasegawa: Montiel took out Hasegawa in the 4th. True. But,
equally true is that Hasegawa had all the previous three rounds in his pocket and was on the way to winning round 4 when, mere seconds towards the round's end, he got caught by a hook that sent him reeling towards the ropes on which he held to as Montiel finished the job. (The stoppage was controversial, at least in Japan, because the bell sounded as the ref stepped in. Many argue that had the ref waited half a second more Hasegawa would have been saved by the bell, recover, and then go on to pile up points as was his custom. Personally, I thought he was really, really out)

To say that Hasegawa's power is mediocre is to be generous; he only has a KO/TKO ratio of 37.5 % (12 KO's in 32 fights). "Poor", perhaps, is the accurate description. Points was very often the way he won. Montiel knew that as did most of those who cared to know about such things. He knew that power was on his side and he can step in through Hasegawa's fluries to drop bombs. But it was not easy. Montiel was wild most times. Until they both landed a power shot each, simultaneously, thereby proving what everyone knew all along: Montiel packed the lethal punch.

Hasegawa's power lack and the initial rounds of Montiel-Hasegaw reminded me of Montiel-Z Gorres, some two years earlier. Although Gorres had something like a 10% better KO record than Hasegawa, no reasonably independent observer expected Gorres to stop Montiel. If Gorres was to win, it would have to be over the full route. And, it did go to the final bell. But it was Montiel who won by SD, with a good amount of help from Samuel Viruet (the ref).

Hey but as of late hasegawa was knocking people out left and right. And not just bums but good pros. He was in a good run and he looked unbeatable. And if you think the stopage was wrong just ask hasegawa and his broken jaw.

[starkiller]

Bet all my points Donaire wins.

[grayfist]

Hey but as of late hasegawa was knocking people out left and right. And not just bums but good pros. He was in a good run and he looked unbeatable. And if you think the stopage was wrong just ask hasegawa and his broken jaw.

First off, I don't need to ask Hasegawa because I never said I thought the stoppage was wrong. In fact, I stated clearly, that personally, I thought Hasegawa was "really, really" out of it. I merely mentioned that it was conroversial in Japan at the time that it happened because people at ringside focused on the timing of the stoppage. I don't rreally blame some Japanese on their insistence that the fight should not have been stopped in spite of the broken jaw. A number of fighters, many of them greats, won while nursing broken jaws in the course of fights. Clearly, however, I don't share that view, as stated in my first post.

Hasegawa, as shown by his impressive string of stoppages in the two years prior to facing Montiel, was never a one-punch KO artist, albeit he had a number of first round stoppages in the period. His first round win over Vusi Malinga illustrates my point. Malinga went down three times in the 1st not by a solitary blow but by accumulation of about two dozen punches.

The kid has quick hands and he can punch in combos rather very well, alternating from the body to the head in many instances. It was that hand quickness that got him those stoppages and the edge over Montiel in rounds prior to that (for Hasegawa) lethal exchange. Montiel knew that in an exchange of fluries, his would spell the greater difference. And he was right.