Richard SCHAEFER in the Steroid Lawsuit: "PACQUIAO's Head Has Gotten Bigger".

[PainKiller]

It's not about seeing what I want to see.

It's just about seeing.

If you have a 6 pack, and you crunch down, or you pull up.. it will look completely different... it is fact.

And, that is what you showed me.

It has nothing to do with "what I see"..

It has to do with what is there.

What is there is what I could get, now I don't know if Pac stands exactly the same in every weigh in, and if those photo's have been shot.

[| THE KING |]

He looks as ripped at 145 as he does at 130, only he looks more muscular too me.

I really don't think it can be argued that pac put on muscle mass.

Yes of course he put on muscle mass. He wouldn't be able to compete with the bigger opponents without the increased muscle mass.

[Alibata]

Yes of course he put on muscle mass. He wouldn't be able to compete with the bigger opponents without the increased muscle mass.

Duh..... If you don't have to make the weight, you'd be an idiot to not take advantage of putting on mass. If a flyweight could get away with it he'd be working out like a mofo, but putting on mass won't make him make weight that is why they don't.

[| THE KING |]

You think they will get it?? Come on man... If Pac passed a test with flying colors, you know that they are not going to let floyd down by not thinking of an even more ****** excuse. It ****** to even argue, it is better to just rub the fact that everyone else has the common sense to see the truth that their boy is widely known as the coward in this equation.. They can't harm pacquiao with their opinionated imaginations on a message board.

Nah.. there are some that won't see it any other way. Even if the fight takes place and Pacquiao passes Floyd style OST, some will still believe Pacquiao is on something. Let's hope Mayweather finds the urge somewhere, but right now (coming out of Floyds own mouth), Floyd DOES NOT want it.

[brick wall]

Duh..... If you don't have to make the weight, you'd be an idiot to not take advantage of putting on mass. If a flyweight could get away with it he'd be working out like a mofo, but putting on mass won't make him make weight that is why they don't.

yeah but according to schaeffer the muscle mass was caused by peds...and some people ****** it up like it's gospel truth.

[PainKiller]

This is my stand.

Pac put on muscle from 130 weigh in to 145.

He's still fit and strogner IMO, but lsoes a little speed. However he has been learning to not just go in and jab and stright left so is better.

He trains very hard, and no matter what you think about his breaks, msot boxers have 1 or 2 days break to regenerate, and don't have 15 men behind them.

I also feel that some have bodies that have been gifted to look lean while some don't, and this is also because of what they eat, metablic rate, and even race.

Someone like Juan Diaz is reportedly very fit in terms of cardio and runs a hell of a lot, yet looks chubby. While one man may do exactly the same exercise, his body won't look like another. Heck some of us have better bodies than him and probably don't train as much.

When it comes to Pac, Mayweather etc... these guys have been fighting since young, and they may have got there on their bodies ability to makes weight, learn to box etc...

I, and no one on here can prove he is or isn't on PED's. Heck no one can prove Floyd isn't on any now, even though he did OST.

[joelab75]

I never understood this. Do you seriously believe Manny works harder than every other boxer in the gym or something? The guy who shows up weeks late, takes days off during camp, changes his conditioning program, films movies, does karaoke, doesn't heed trainer commands...yet they still expect people to believe he has this oh so incredible regimen that allows him to do all of that and show up in incredible condition. And you wonder why people are su****ious.

how many hours do you think you're supposed to be training in a day? 8 hours? typically 3-4 hours a day. that gives him what? another 5-6 hours to spare before he go to bed. so Manny had all the time doing karaoke right? he was never making any movies in training session, he promote his movie not "MAKING" a movie during training camp. and yes his training his incredible. thats the reason he can throw 60 to 80 punches a round and never gassed out. he was doing the same in a lower weights. so how can you suspect Pac if he was doing the same thing he does in lower weights?

if you think Manny was training the same thing other boxers do while using PEDS it means Manny has been juicing since he was what 118 lbs? because Manny was the only BOXER who can keep his power and speed thru out the fight. so YES, Manny works harder than most of the boxers. it shows in the fight.

Im not sure why it was so hard for the haters to accept the FACT that Manny is another freak of nature. one in a million boxer. isnt it because he wasnt supposed to be this GOOD? does this have anything to do with RACE? seriously?

[IMDAZED]

how many hours do you think you're supposed to be training in a day? 8 hours? typically 3-4 hours a day. that gives him what? another 5-6 hours to spare before he go to bed. so Manny had all the time doing karaoke right? he was never making any movies in training session, he promote his movie not "MAKING" a movie during training camp. and yes his training his incredible. thats the reason he can throw 60 to 80 punches a round and never gassed out. he was doing the same in a lower weights. so how can you suspect Pac if he was doing the same thing he does in lower weights?

if you think Manny was training the same thing other boxers do while using PEDS it means Manny has been juicing since he was what 118 lbs? because Manny was the only BOXER who can keep his power and speed thru out the fight. so YES, Manny works harder than most of the boxers. it shows in the fight.

Im not sure why it was so hard for the haters to accept the FACT that Manny is another freak of nature. one in a million boxer. isnt it because he wasnt supposed to be this GOOD? does this have anything to do with RACE? seriously?

Why is it that you're a hater if you think someone is juicing? Grow up, man. Now Race? Really?

[Alibata]

Nah.. there are some that won't see it any other way. Even if the fight takes place and Pacquiao passes Floyd style OST, some will still believe Pacquiao is on something. Let's hope Mayweather finds the urge somewhere, but right now (coming out of Floyds own mouth), Floyd DOES NOT want it.

Floyd fans are stressin. The burden of proof is really on them and their boy. Pac fans can only shake their heads as they post knowing that their jealous rants and fantastical accusations don't really help anything but provide amusement from sadistic *******s and pac fans who love seeing them wallow in their misery.

[Champ Is Here]

People thought Julius Peppers was a freak of nature, and guess what

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/04/sp...uspension.html