Am I wrong for suspecting Manny?

[jack2x]

lol he even said he is not a peds expert in his OP now he suddenly is. hahaha

right! i think his op and his thread starts to crumble.

[TheMexHurricane]

Boxing is not the only sport where drugs are used. ALL PROFESSIONAL SPORTS HAVE HEAVY PERFORMANCE DRUG USERS. I remember in my high school football team there were a lot of guys taking drugs (AND THAT WAS AT THE AMATUER LEVEL). Imagine the professional level, with all these fast and strong freaks. That's not just hard work and genetics, it's also drugs.

Compare what Pac did to Margarito, who's a big welter with a **GREAT** chin and compare what he did to Barrera, only a Banty 6 divisions smaller with a **VERY GOOD** chin that was KO'd by banty Junior Jones. And Manny kept his speed or got faster while **GAINING 20 LBS OF SOLID MUSCLE AS AN ADULT**. And refusing the PED tests suggested by Floyd. It doesn't pass the smell test. Recall that until recently athletes were taking roids without anyone knowing at all. Who knows what he might be doing. C'mon guys, wake the **** up! Y'all know boxing history. What Manny is doing is not possible. He's getting over on you or you condone what he's doing.

[VoodooChild]

Compare what Pac did to Margarito, who's a big welter with a **GREAT** chin and compare what he did to Barrera, only a Banty 6 divisions smaller with a **VERY GOOD** chin that was KO'd by banty Junior Jones. And Manny kept his speed or got faster while **GAINING 20 LBS OF SOLID MUSCLE AS AN ADULT**. And refusing the PED tests suggested by Floyd. It doesn't pass the smell test. Recall that until recently athletes were taking roids without anyone knowing at all. Who knows what he might be doing. C'mon guys, wake the **** up! Y'all know boxing history. What Manny is doing is not possible. He's getting over on you or you condone what he's doing.

When did he gain 20 lbs of muscle? He weighed in at 148 at fight night against Marg?

[TheMexHurricane]

When did he gain 20 lbs of muscle? He weighed in at 145 for his last fight?

Uhh, when he went from 122 lbs to your 145L LBS **AS AN ADULT**.

[VoodooChild]

Uhh, when he went from 122 lbs to your 145L LBS **AS AN ADULT**.

What were the fight night weigh in's?

[Rolaz]

Why didn't you ask the following questions:

1. How come the sports commission or any drug enforcement agency inside USA governing Professional Boxing never suspected Pacman on Drugs?


2. What kind of skills and talents that Pacman have, and what kind of attitude he has shown in training? Is his trainer an ordinary Trainer?

3. If Pacman is on drugs how come he is currently nominated as Athlete of the Year and Brains of the Year?

4. How come BWAA never believes the idea that Pacman is on drugs?
and give him several awards?


An Athlete who is on drugs, will never acknowledge God; Pacman has acknowledge God as the source of his strength and success!

The Truth is Those who believe that Pacman is not on drugs outnumbers those who keep on insisting that Pacman is on drugs.

Lastly, why not file Formal protest against Pacman inside USA, so we will know who is the real LIAR!

[jack2x]

Compare what Pac did to Margarito, who's a big welter with a **GREAT** chin and compare what he did to Barrera, only a Banty 6 divisions smaller with a **VERY GOOD** chin that was KO'd by banty Junior Jones. And Manny kept his speed or got faster while **GAINING 20 LBS OF SOLID MUSCLE AS AN ADULT**. And refusing the PED tests suggested by Floyd. It doesn't pass the smell test. Recall that until recently athletes were taking roids without anyone knowing at all. Who knows what he might be doing. C'mon guys, wake the **** up! Y'all know boxing history. What Manny is doing is not possible. He's getting over on you or you condone what he's doing.

then try to argue on this--"Victor Conte - "I would not want to single-out Manny Pacquiao because I have no direct evidence that he has used any performance enhancing drugs. That being said, I think we need to be su****ious of everybody at the elite level. What he's doing, to go from the lower weight divisions up to many divisions higher and maintain his speed and power- is that su****ious? Yes it is. But are there people throughout Olympic or professional sports history that are just genetic freaks and have a mindset that's powerful, and I guess the question is, 'Could you do what Manny Pacquiao does?' or 'Could other fighters do what Manny Pacquiao does and be clean?', I believe with hard-tech nutrition and training and these other available methods like this intermittent hypoxic training which has some of the benefits, the same benefits you would receive from using EPO, I believe it can be done.".........DOES THIS QUOTE FROM CONTE ENDED YOUR SPECULATION????

[TheMexHurricane]

Manny was cutting a lot of weight back then, it's a little different when he can eat 5 meals a day and compared to starving himself. Also Billy Conn got knocked out at 140 lbs but then went on to go 13 rounds with Joe Louis at Heavyweight, was he juicing too?.

Conn got knocked out as a kid at 140 when he was only 17 and about 3 months. Manny got ko'd at 20 and 9 months when he was at 113 pounds(i.e. grown man). Did you get that? That's O-N-E- H-U-N-D-R-E-D T-H-I-R-T-E-E-N P-O-U-N-D-S A-S A-N A-D-U-L-T!!!! He's now 145 pounds of solid muscle and destroying a big welter like Margarito with a great chin. You're either being duped or you condone what he's doing.

[AFighter4U]

I'm noticing that is anybody questions Manny, they get attacked. But is it not human to suspect a fighter who refuses drug testing in this era (The way Manny/Team Pac refused).

I'm no PED expert, Dr or pro boxer. But I am a 25 year boxing fan, so i know a lil bit about the sport i love.
I've watched Manny since the blonde streak days, been a fan from then on. But what I'm not a fan of is how the refusal went down, all the reasons/excuses just made me pause for a second.

I'm told that "I don't know anything about how PEDs work" & "If Manny was juicing, he'd have gotten caught by now"...
Well the first part is kinda true, but It has made me a lil curious on the suject so I looked into it.

So can any of you just answer just 3 questions........

1. What are the charicteristics of HGH, EPO......?

2. Does Manny display any of these charicteristics....? (Mind you, don't say Manny has always displayed this or that. Mind you, I've been watching him as long if not longer that most on NSB. And Manny has definatly kicked it up a few notches).

3. If the way Manny has evolved is not by the use of any PEDs, what else could it be....?

We bash Barry Bonds for basically doing the same thing Manny is doing, is it a nationality thing? Or do you just hate Floyd sooo much that anything he says is dismissed and you just wanna see him beat regaurdless of how.

Not a hate thread, just trying to get how him/Bob Arum refusing testing in the PED era gets a pass...
I've never put anybody on ignore nor have I ever done the corny red k thing, but I have yet to get any solid answers. Just emmotional, I love manny, I hate Floyd posts...
Anybody wanna be honest?

There is nothing wrong with doubting Pac. Evidence for or against his refusing Floyd's especially designed tests are easily found and its up to you to decide what to believe.

On the other hand, for you to be balanced, you should ALSO suspect floyd for demanding such a special test AND NOT EVEN PETITIONING THE GOVERNING BODIES.

All he did was announce it in public and nothing else. A person who is sincere in cleaning up the sport wouldn't stop with Pac, but would logically petition or make serious effort to change the rules or testing standards. So far, all Floyd has done is simply rant online and that's it.

The problem of many characteristics of PED users is that in many cases, it could be a natural occurrence to an individual, and simply using those as a gauge to determine PED use is rather simplistic and might cause you to accuse an innocent man.

Case in point, one possible side-effect of PED use is having brittle bones. Floyd is know to have brittle hands, and even claimed to have one of his ribs broken during a sparing session. Does that mean floyd is a PED user?

Constant practice, dedication to the sport, hard work and talent as well as experience gained from facing other world champions will definitely lead to a boxer evolving in his skill. Its typical for today's generation not to appreciate the fact that PEDS isn't the only reason why a fighter can actually get better at his sport.

[JDezi4]

No, ur far from wrong. But Manny's got a lot of ****-riding fans on this site, and also a lot of people hate Floyd which is the reason for the hostility. The fact of the matter is, if Floyd refused testing, we all know what would happen