Am I wrong for suspecting Manny?

[FLYBOY]

Because 7 days is good enough though I think Manny agreed all the way. Regardless, Manny thinks that it will affect him physically and so in thinking that, even if it doesn't, will affect him mentally. Floyd wants to fight fair fight and so does Manny. Many doctors have stated that taking blood too close to the fight has health risks involved such as hematoma which supports Manny's concern of a possible physical effect on his body. Manny has concerns just like Floyd so why give in to Floyd's when most are in agreement that 7 days is good enough with 1 directly after the fight. Manny has compromised why can't floyd?

This fight will not get made.
Floyd is scared and Manny is on drugs.
Floyd might be on drugs too although I doubt it since he is willing to do the tests all the way through...

[guru]

So can any of you just answer just 3 questions........

1. What are the charicteristics of HGH, EPO......?

2. Does Manny display any of these charicteristics....? (Mind you, don't say Manny has always displayed this or that. Mind you, I've been watching him as long if not longer that most on NSB. And Manny has definatly kicked it up a few notches).

3. If the way Manny has evolved is not by the use of any PEDs, what else could it be....?

1 - some side effects of the steriods that can be seen are balding hair, body acne, roid rage. none of which ive seen in manny. another thing to look for is size disparity. guys will get bigger when they are on a cycle and and smaller when they are off. i havent seen that but then i probably dont see manny enough to tell.

2 - ive heard ppl question manny carrying his power into the higher weight classes but it has happened before. both holyfield and moorer added 30+ pounds and carried their power very well. so did SRL who knocked out light heavyweight champion donny lalonde.

3 - as i stated above its not unique to manny. but more so i think manny has just improved greatly as a fighter, skills wise. other than the quick KO of Hatton, manny is breaking people down. mid to late stoppages from brutal beating. i dont see anything unsual(physicaly) in what manny is doing. his speed, skills and foot work is killing people.

[Alibata]

This fight will not get made.
Floyd is scared and Manny is on drugs.
Floyd might be on drugs too although I doubt it since he is willing to do the tests all the way through...

7 days if so, I still think Manny agreed to full terms because; Ellerbe is quiet and said there were no negs..... unfavorable to floyds image cause his silence and denial? Haymon is quiet and Floyd is his client and buddy who he represented in the negotiations Ellerbe denied, Floyd gets chastised by everyone yet he is saying nothing to defend his buddy. Unfavorable to floyd's image maybe? Golden boy in statements made by shaffer and DLH, pretty much accusing Floyd of ducking. HBO president, accuses Floyd of ducking. Do we really need to spell it out word for word to the *****s.

Even if it was 7 days. Why wouldn't floyd take it? It addresses Manny's concern's of Physical effects backed by doctors and Floyd's concerns of Manny being clean (unless he is paranoid which he is or just plain scared to fight.) Most fans thought 14 was good and so did Floyd. Now 7 is better and common sense will tell you that a fighter who is tapering down would be hard pressed to get any benefit from Peds unless of course the *****s paranoid imaginations conjure up a Ped that works while you are tapering of your training and that any fighter fighting the biggest fight of their life is willing to get caught on the assertion that "this Ped will only stay in your system for 3-5 days so you don't have to worry about the test after the fight." or "a urine test won't detect this." It is in the paranoia category to assert that 7 days is not good enough because their is something he can take that will work in 7 days and won't be detected with a test after... Think about it because it is what makes *****s look ******.

[IMDAZED]

1 - some side effects of the steriods that can be seen are balding hair, body acne, roid rage. none of which ive seen in manny. another thing to look for is size disparity. guys will get bigger when they are on a cycle and and smaller when they are off. i havent seen that but then i probably dont see manny enough to tell.

I think you're referring to older steroids. You hardly see those kind of things any more. Look at cyclists today.

2 - ive heard ppl question manny carrying his power into the higher weight classes but it has happened before. both holyfield and moorer added 30+ pounds and carried their power very well. so did SRL who knocked out light heavyweight champion donny lalonde.

Pretty bad example considering Holyfield has been busted for roids and Leonard was hammered with accusations during the latter part of his career.

3 - as i stated above its not unique to manny. but more so i think manny has just improved greatly as a fighter, skills wise. other than the quick KO of Hatton, manny is breaking people down. mid to late stoppages from brutal beating. i dont see anything unsual(physicaly) in what manny is doing. his speed, skills and foot work is killing people

I disagree. I've seen a lot of fighters use speed and skills to beat bigger guys but more often than not, Manny is stronger than them. That's absurd. His maintaining foot speed is equally absurd. Maybe he's superman - but he seems quite human when asked to do those tests.

[V.WEBB]

Because 7 days is good enough though I think Manny agreed all the way.

Stop it.....

[guru]

I think you're referring to older steroids. You hardly see those kind of things any more. Look at cyclists today.

Guys i see in the gym today, still exhibit some of those side effects. and those side effects are still listed on sites that sell steroids. but im not an expert, knowledgeable but not an expert

Pretty bad example considering Holyfield has been busted for roids and Leonard was hammered with accusations during the latter part of his career.

u still have moorer and duran and haye and other others

I disagree. I've seen a lot of fighters use speed and skills to beat bigger guys but more often than not, Manny is stronger than them. That's absurd. His maintaining foot speed is equally absurd. Maybe he's superman - but he seems quite human when asked to do those tests.

not foot speed but foot work. this is just opinion but i think manny skills have improved and thats whys hes beating these bigger guys so badly(along with his speed). if manny fought straight ahead just bombing with the left hand like he used to, i dont think he would be as successfull as hes been.

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[IMDAZED]

not foot speed but foot work. this is just opinion but i think manny skills have improved and thats whys hes beating these bigger guys so badly(along with his speed). if manny fought straight ahead just bombing with the left hand like he used to, i dont think he would be as successfull as hes been.

Either way his foot speed is a little absurd for someone who has climbed 8-10 divisions. In fact, it's unheard of. Second, most fighters who have gone up and won do have the speed and skill advantage but strength? Never. But here's Manny laughing at Cotto's punches along the ropes. Again, unheard of.

[iNDOLiFER]

Topic starter, its not that u get attack if u questioned manny its how u go about it. half of these people are not questioning manny they are accusing him already. u see theres a different.

[iNDOLiFER]

Either way his foot speed is a little absurd for someone who has climbed 8-10 divisions. In fact, it's unheard of. Second, most fighters who have gone up and won do have the speed and skill advantage but strength? Never. But here's Manny laughing at Cotto's punches along the ropes. Again, unheard of.

yup manny is unreal, i think he might not even be human. i think he's a rebot.

[guru]

Either way his foot speed is a little absurd for someone who has climbed 8-10 divisions. In fact, it's unheard of. Second, most fighters who have gone up and won do have the speed and skill advantage but strength? Never. But here's Manny laughing at Cotto's punches along the ropes. Again, unheard of.

the cotto example, does that have to do with strength or toughness? im not sure how you can say pac is stronger than these guys cuz i dont think so.

i think pacs speed and skills are the difference here. its not like he walking thru these guys, hes outboxing them.