Comments Thread For: Chris John Returns To Dominate Fernando Saucedo

[adrian16]

If he beats Lopez then Gamboa next, after that he retires happily ever after...Tiger//Dragon doesnt matter

[cubano11]

If he beats Lopez then Gamboa next, after that he retires happily ever after...Tiger//Dragon doesnt matter

he will fight gamboa next or vacate his title

[giacomino]

Narvaez has I think only been to France to defend.

John is the world traveller, so I'd say John.

Narveaz has defended in France, Spain and Italy. Takes about two minutes of research to check that


John has fought nobody but second-raters for 4 1/2 years. Juarez, his best opponent since Marquez, had lost four previous title shots. You're right. John is clearly a HOFer

[brooklyngod]

damn it will be an awesome fight if john and yorkis do get it on, i would not know who to pick as a winner. but i do know at the end we will a be treated to a hell of a fight i.m.o.

[Kevin Malone]

been looking for video of this fight, can't find anything.

[devildg]

Enough of this guy already. Either fight someone good at featherweight, move up in weight and fight Marquez again (try to actually win this time) or retire

[FloydTBE]

been looking for video of this fight, can't find anything.

u checked the trading block bro

[paulf]

I also think John is an excellent boxer. I had him beating Marquez (watching a low quality video of the fight) So he's a certified badass in my book.

[Steward]

So Hagler presumably wasn't much of a fighter in your opinion. After all, he spent most of his career hiding in the USA, and not only did he never compete in a higher weight class than the one he started in, almost all of his most notable wins were against fighters from lower weight classes who moved up to fight him.

Whether you can move up weights successfully depends on your frame. Some great fighters had a frame that allowed them to gain weight without losing speed and power; others such as Hagler didn't. That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not they are great fighters. (Another example of an all time great fighter who was unable to move up successfully to a higher weight division is Bob Foster, who was a complete failure at Heavyweight, but is generally regarded as one of the top 5 Light Heavyweights of all time).

And many great fighters never fought outside their country as a pro, Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins being obvious examples. Hagler only fought outside his country twice, once in order to win the Middleweight title, and only once in a defence, which was against a nobody. So presumably you don't rate Hagler or Jones or Hopkins highly.

Most of the time, the reason fighters fight on home turf is simply money. In John's case, except when HBO is prepared to screen his fights, as they did for the Juarez fight, his fights will always make far more money in Indonesia, where he has a big fan base, than they would make anywhere else. Money has always talked in boxing, and you can't rationally blame the fighter for that. And John has fought outside his country a lot more often than Hagler, Jones or Hopkins did.

The reason why Pacquiao is able to fight in the US is that his style is exciting enough for him to make big money doing so - but he's the exception that proves the rule. John's style isn't exciting to most American fans, so unless his has a big name opponent such as Juarez or Gamboa, his fights will not be financially viable outside Indonesia. But that has nothing to do with whether he is a good fighter or not.

As for the poster who said Juarez is John's equivalent to Lacy, that's a silly analogy. If John fights and beats Gamboa, and if he does it in style, that would be roughly equivalent to Calzaghe's win over Lacy. If John then goes on to beat Lopez convincingly, that would be roughly equivalent to Calzaghe's win over Kessler.

Hides.... (currently, the present, not has hidden)... I even mentioned the Juarez fight so it's pretty obvious he hasn't spent whole career there.... Depends how you read it but it's pretty clear that isn't what i said. My point is, by this stage in someone's undefeated career would you not go up in weight, or even fight better opponents? Instead he's still in his home country, yeah Jones and Hopkins stayed in America but that's because it's more lucrative for them to do so. They wanted to prove themselves on the biggest stage in boxing and they did. John hasn't. He's no where near being the household-named fighter you'd expect after so many fights undefeated. The quality that has been around in this division during his career and how many world-title worthy opponents has he beaten? (convincingly for that matter) Let's see him against Lopez anyway....

[daggum]

So Hagler presumably wasn't much of a fighter in your opinion. After all, he spent most of his career hiding in the USA, and not only did he never compete in a higher weight class than the one he started in, almost all of his most notable wins were against fighters from lower weight classes who moved up to fight him.

Whether you can move up weights successfully depends on your frame. Some great fighters had a frame that allowed them to gain weight without losing speed and power; others such as Hagler didn't. That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not they are great fighters. (Another example of an all time great fighter who was unable to move up successfully to a higher weight division is Bob Foster, who was a complete failure at Heavyweight, but is generally regarded as one of the top 5 Light Heavyweights of all time).

And many great fighters never fought outside their country as a pro, Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins being obvious examples. Hagler only fought outside his country twice, once in order to win the Middleweight title, and only once in a defence, which was against a nobody. So presumably you don't rate Hagler or Jones or Hopkins highly.

Most of the time, the reason fighters fight on home turf is simply money. In John's case, except when HBO is prepared to screen his fights, as they did for the Juarez fight, his fights will always make far more money in Indonesia, where he has a big fan base, than they would make anywhere else. Money has always talked in boxing, and you can't rationally blame the fighter for that. And John has fought outside his country a lot more often than Hagler, Jones or Hopkins did.

The reason why Pacquiao is able to fight in the US is that his style is exciting enough for him to make big money doing so - but he's the exception that proves the rule. John's style isn't exciting to most American fans, so unless his has a big name opponent such as Juarez or Gamboa, his fights will not be financially viable outside Indonesia. But that has nothing to do with whether he is a good fighter or not.

As for the poster who said Juarez is John's equivalent to Lacy, that's a silly analogy. If John fights and beats Gamboa, and if he does it in style, that would be roughly equivalent to Calzaghe's win over Lacy. If John then goes on to beat Lopez convincingly, that would be roughly equivalent to Calzaghe's win over Kessler.

it would be equivalent in terms of beating a guy with their hype but in terms of the same quality of fighter lacy and rocky juarez are at about the same level.