Race

[Ta Khent]

I don't think race has all that much to do with it. Genetics for fast twitch muscles are found in all races, so you can't say "Naturally, Blacks are faster than Whites."

I believe it has more to do with, believe it or not, education and economy. In the late 1800's, most boxers were Irish in the US. In the turn of the century, it was Italians. Then as blacks were able to get more rights in this country, they began to make their presence known. Now it is the Hispanics.

Where are the white fighters? They are in offices working. Where are the Asian fighters? They have other jobs too. Sports in America has been a way out of poverty for many poor people. Go to a boxing gym, you'll find that there are more blue color workers in the boxing gym than those who work in offices. And the majority of those in gyms aren't white and probably have only a high school education.

I don't know how it is in the UK but I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of young men there who aren't from the upper middle class families.

Actually, there is documented evidence that blacks, particularly from West African decent, have more fast twitch muscle mass than whites which is attributed to quicker reflexes and explosive power(ie. running and jumping)

Also, let me add that boxing is a race neutral sport. There's no gene for ring smarts and out thinking your opponent.

[realheavyhands]

latino aint white.. there only 1 white real champion thats the best in the divison till proven other wise and that vitali..hatton aint better then floyd he wont even fight floyd for another year..one white dude that could of been a champion if he took care of himself and the most explosive white dude i ever seen, talkin speed power combionation ,was corrie sanders if he took care of his body and trained properly he coulda held the belt for a minute..there would be no answers for a left hand like that

[IwatchBoxing]

The best weights in boxing is Middleweight to Heaveyweight, I would think the adverage person is around 160 pounds inorder to a great fighter in their area, and in these weights you see alot of Blacks and Whites (Europeans, Americans ect..)

[SnoopySmurf]

latino aint white.

Spaniards who settled in the New World may have mixed in with the natives, but a lot of them still look Spanish. And the Spanish are white. Basic Anthropology 101.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Wow, I can't believe this is actually a thread. SnoopySmurf is dead on. Sports have always been the glimmer in the eye of those below the poverty line, which is why you find the many more athletes have come from humble roots.

Race has several small effects which are true, but all are very slim. The only difference which has been documented a lot is the fact that people whose ancestors have lived in higher altitudes for much longer have developed a better lung capacity.

[IwatchBoxing]

Wow, I can't believe this is actually a thread. SnoopySmurf is dead on. Sports have always been the glimmer in the eye of those below the poverty line, which is why you find the many more athletes have come from humble roots.

Race has several small effects which are true, but all are very slim. The only difference which has been documented a lot is the fact that people whose ancestors have lived in higher altitudes for much longer have developed a better lung capacity.

Differences like styles is caused by culture, Blacks have their own way of dancing to the flow of music, while Whites have their own way of following a beat...its the Soul man, the flavor of your heterigaze (?), differinet Cultures walk through life in their own beat, the beat of the Soul, how you grew up, how you act ect ect. How you look often plays a role cause pretty boys dont like getting hit...

[Dirt E Gomez]

Differences like styles is caused by culture, Blacks have their own way of dancing to the flow of music, while Whites have their own way of following a beat...its the Soul man, the flavor of your heterigaze (?), differinet Cultures walk through life in their own beat, the beat of the Soul, how you grew up, how you act ect ect., all linked to your blood line ancestors.

I take this post to mean you have not basic understanding of genetics. Styles can be learned. Any white person who grew up with black people and only danced with them would be the exact same as a black person on the dance floor. "How you grew up" are linked to your bloodline? YOu can't argue nature vs nurture by simply saying nurture doesn't exist at all.

[IwatchBoxing]

Styles can be learned. Any white person who grew up with black people and only danced with them would be the exact same as black people. "How you grew up" are linked to your bloodline? YOu can't argue nature vs nurture by simply saying nurture doesn't exist at all.

Well Africa the blacks would be out in the elements with the Lions, in a tuff terrain, while Whites lived in the North needing strenght to pull through the cold winters and build warm places to stay...of course its Culture. If I'd migrated to Mexico in the 1800's or whaever, I'd be eating alot of Tacos, and working out in the Desert, dealing with heat and looking for water and all that, leading to good stanima, and a hard work ethic...

[BLOODSHED]

Corrales and Tito have punching power and they look black to me.

Stereotypes dont work.

I dont want this to be a race smack thread, just genunine opinions please.

There always seems to be conflict between black and white fighters, there are slight difference to the two races but nothing that effects their ability to perform at the highest level.

The below is only true at the highest level, theres no major differences for the average person.

Naturally Black people are faster than White people, its pretty obvious that they can run faster, etc. Its not very often you will see a white 100 meter sprinter at the olympics or doing other speed related sports.

Naturally White people are stronger than Black people, its pretty obvious than they can lift bigger weights, etc. Its not very often you Black person compete at world strongest man or doing a strength sport like swimming.

Dont confuse power with strength in boxing, power is a combination of speed and strength so both races can punch just as hard as each other.

So my point is that its harder for a white person to have really fast hands like Mayweather & Judah, and it harder for a black person to have strength like Hatton and Tszyu. People are always hating on each other because of the way a fighters fight but its a natural, fighter are made to fight they way they do before they are even born. People should learn to respect how fighter of different races fight, Mayweather hasnt got the strength to out muscle a lot of fighters so he has to fight on the outside and use his natural speed ability, Hatton needs to use his natural strength advantages on the inside because he wont get far fighting people on the outside.

These are general rules are there are always exceptions to the rules(i.e. Lewis was a very strong fighter)

Both races are very skilled at what they do and both races should respect that more, these differences are part of the reason boxing is so intersting and such a great sport.

BTW, before anyone says "how come blacks have more top class heavys if whites are stronger?", in general when a white person puts on that much muscle they are too slow to be an effective boxer, its harder to get that big without losing the speed. Mariusz Pudzianowski(2003 world strongest man) was a boxer until he decided he's use his natural abilitys better.

[Dirt E Gomez]

If I'd migrated to Mexico in the 1800's or whaever, I'd be eating alot of Tacos, and working out in the Desert, dealing with heat and looking for water and all that, leading to good stanima, and a hard work ethic...

While I wont comment on how true/untrue it would be to live in Mexico like that, that still is not genetics. Being born Mexican in your eyes does not automatically make you eat tacos, work in the desert, have good work ethics, or have good stamina. These are all things which come from the way you live your life.