Manny Should Just............

[BoxingTech718]

Yeah, except there's a huge problem with this statement. And that problem is that, using that argument, the commissions shouldn't be testing anyone either then, right? I mean, what proof do they have to ask fighters to be tested?

Not only that in court much of the proceeding are set by precedents. So apply that to the sports world and we usually see that people who run away from drug test usually are roiders. We saw it with Bonds, McGuire, Jose Canseco......and the list is endless. So the easiest way to assuage fears is to just take the damn thing and get it over with.
Let me remind you that I'm not saying Pac is on anything. I'm just saying what has happened in the past and it looks su****ious.

[check hook]

Cotto was a great fight and I loved the matchup, loved the performance. Will never knock him for fighting Miguel who I thought (beforehand) was a formidable challenge. The other fighters are just tuneups. You act as if Floyd was the only other fighter out there (BTW, he could've fought him instead of Clottey). So to answer your question, what do I want him to do? Fight a perceived threat - something he hasn't done since 2009.

People seem to miss that point. Manny could have indeed fought FMJ instead of Clottey. Floyd was desperate for a big payday and he wanted it. Now Floyd made 40 mil he doesn't much care.

The reason that fight didn't happen then and there is simple......MP didn't want it to, and i suspect Arum was pushing hard for it not to happen also. Why risk losing to FMJ when you can match your guy against men in your own stable, make more money?

[chinoy]

Shane NEEDS Floyd...

Pac does NOT need Floyd...

that is a BIG difference.....

Put yourself in Pac's shoes, a PPV star being accused by your rival as being on PEDs?

if i was Pac,im not going to fight Floyd and bow to Floyd's demand....

its not about the money,its the principle involved

Why should he have to do that? He didn't have to do that to fight Shane.

[p4p-champ]

the other is a college student getting A+ grades on 8th grade level assignments.

lmao, that was a perfect analogy.

[fabie]

Yeah, except there's a huge problem with this statement. And that problem is that, using that argument, the commissions shouldn't be testing anyone either then, right? I mean, what proof do they have to ask fighters to be tested?

Yes, they can if they impose it. They can hold reservations on your certification and license to fight. Thus the NSAC can authorize it.

But not from a boxer based from SPECULATIONS.

Actually you don't need absolute proof to file a case against somebody all you need is probable cause.The Oxford Companion to American Law defines probable cause as "information sufficient to warrant a prudent person's belief that the wanted individual had committed a crime (for an arrest warrant) or that evidence of a crime or contraband would be found in a search (for a search warrant)". "Probable cause" is a stronger standard of evidence than a reasonable su****ion, but weaker than what is required to secure a criminal conviction. Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence, according to the Aguilar–Spinelli test.

But like I said provide a link where FMJ said that he had evidence and knows for a fact that Manny Pacquiao is on something.

But the Mayweathers doesn't even that those! bwhahahaa

All they have is:

• Wow he is a midget, he keeps on winning as he goes up in weight
• Wow he is still fast and wickedly strong

If you are going to set a PRECEDENT that anyone can do this, well, dang, then the whole boxing competition would turn upside down.

Why can't we see that in a competition, there's naturally someone who can be:

• as strong and wicked despite going up the weight levels.

In that case, why didn't they do the same thing with Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran...etc...etc...etc...?

The Mayweathers are good at a couple of things:

• DEFLECTION
• CHARACTER ASSASINATION

And based on their crimes and misdemeanors from the past, I wouldn't trust any of their "speculations" much less their "evidences".

[IMDAZED]

Shane NEEDS Floyd...

Pac does NOT need Floyd...

that is a BIG difference.....

Put yourself in Pac's shoes, a PPV star being accused by your rival as being on PEDs?

if i was Pac,im not going to fight Floyd and bow to Floyd's demand....

its not about the money,its the principle involved

Well that's you. It didn't stop Pac from negotiating with him the first time so obviously that's irrelevant.

[p4p-champ]

Mayweather demanding and accusing Pacquiao is a failure in the first place. UNLESS YOU'VE GOT PROOFS OR BASIS FOR YOUR ACCUSATIONS.

Sorry, NO. Good thing Pacquiao didn't relent to it. But despite of it, Pacquiao did agree up to 7 days before the fight (at least compromising). But Pacquiao doesn't need to compromise in the first place.

Since when can you compromise on a test?

When you went to school, did the professor give out some of the test answers after you negotiated with him?

[IMDAZED]

Yes, they can if they impose it. They can hold reservations on your certification and license to fight. Thus the NSAC can authorize it.

But not from a boxer based from SPECULATIONS.

1. So what proof do the commissions have to do it again? Since, in your opinion, you need proof?

2. Not from a boxer based on speculation? Tell me, fabie, how did the commissions begin testing for PEDs?

[check hook]

Shane NEEDS Floyd...

Pac does NOT need Floyd...

that is a BIG difference.....

Put yourself in Pac's shoes, a PPV star being accused by your rival as being on PEDs?

if i was Pac,im not going to fight Floyd and bow to Floyd's demand....

its not about the money,its the principle involved

Ok no prob. Now put yourself in Floyd's shoes. He is the biggest PPV star and he believes his rival is using PED's........he want random OST to make sure. His rival says NO, citing a whole range of laughable and silly excuses.

It's not about the money, it's about the principle involved.

[ADP02]

OK. So regardless, they never agreed to full testing. Never have and, from the looks of it, never will. Period.

The real problem is that Floyd wants something that is not part of the standard boxing rules. So it ends up being a negotiation unfortunately. If they both really want it, then they will let it happen.

No matter what our talking points are, if Floyd was able to accept 14 days, hopefully they will accept a compromise and get this fight on.