Manny has not improved that much technically.........

[Dynamite Kid]

Manny has not improved that much technically, NOT on the front foot anyway, on the backfoot yes, but I think people overstate how improved Manny is, specifically when he has to take the lead, come foward, which is why, I anticipate he will STILL struggle with a counter puncher.

Manny is a different fighter to the guy who Morales fought, but Morales was hardly a refined Boxer, yet he was still able to control Manny, now the Marquez rematch was only in 07 or 08, and Pacquiao still had problems beating him convincingly, and there were spells in the Cotto fought that showed he can still be vulnerable to counter punching.

[p4p-champ]

I agree, he has improved but certainly not by much. It has been the opponents that have made him look better than he is. They have chosen wisely for Manny, i still say Marquez is the most talented boxer Manny has ever faced. Stylistically alone, he'll always give Manny problems.

[FloydTBE]

floyd woul whoop him

[Pullcounter]

Morales was hardly a refined Boxer

delete your account and never watch boxing again you worthless whore.

[Jack Napier]

Pac not cutting weight anymore
bigger improvement than changes in him technically
but he is a more complete fighter than he used to be
never gonna be full fledged technician
but as a boxer puncher/volume puncher, Pac is lethal

[Dynamite Kid]

delete your account and never watch boxing again you worthless whore.

If you think he was you should take your own advice.

[straightleft]

Manny has not improved that much technically, NOT on the front foot anyway, on the backfoot yes, but I think people overstate how improved Manny is, specifically when he has to take the lead, come foward, which is why, I anticipate he will STILL struggle with a counter puncher.

Manny is a different fighter to the guy who Morales fought, but Morales was hardly a refined Boxer, yet he was still able to control Manny, now the Marquez rematch was only in 07 or 08, and Pacquiao still had problems beating him convincingly, and there were spells in the Cotto fought that showed he can still be vulnerable to counter punching.

Back then..Pac was considered a one dimensional slugger puncher with no head movements, no right hand as strong as his left, minimal footwork, no angles with his punches, no in and out attack and many more. Just jab..jab..then left straight with pure power and speed. But guess what? He managed to knockdowns JMM several times. In both fights if you watch it again, he was lucky saved by the bell.

Now let's say this is the same Pacquiao who fought JMM twice but certainly at 147 Pacquiao now packs more power in his punches and punch resistance that will walk through any JMM counterpunches. These are the facts you can't deny. JMM is a lightweight and Pac is a welterweight now. Even at catchweight between 140-147 Pacquiao will KO him now for good without chances of hurting Pacquiao back. You see..JMM is great but no way he punch harder than Cotto, Clottey, Oscar and Margarito at 147. Pac took their punches like nothing. Pacquiao will punch after punch JMM until he folds while eating some counterpunch but it will not matter.

[Dynamite Kid]

Back then..Pac was considered a one dimensional slugger puncher with no head movements, no right hand as strong as his left, minimal footwork, no angles with his punches, no in and out attack and many more. Just jab..jab..then left straight with pure power and speed. But guess what? He managed to knockdowns JMM several times. In both fights if you watch it again, he was lucky saved by the bell.

Now let's say this is the same Pacquiao who fought JMM twice but certainly Pacquiao now packs more power in his punches and punch resistance that will walk through any JMM counterpunches. This the facts you can't deny. JMM is a lightweight and is a welterweight now. Even at catchweight between 140-147 Pacquiao will KO him now for good without chances of hurting Pacquiao back. You see..JMM is great but no way he punch harder than Cotto, Clottey, Oscar and Margarito at 147. Pac took their punches like nothing. Pacquiao will punch after punch JMM until he folds while eating some counterpunch but it will not matter.

He moves his head more, but his head movement is too predictable when he is coming foward, at times its almost like a token gesture than a defensive movement.

Marquez is a counter puncher that does not move after countering, he is there to be hit back whether he counters you or not, what will happen with a guy who moves after counter punching, or is bigger, capable of hurting you more with a single counter?

I dont make this thead in relation to a potential Marquez rematch, infact I reckon he would still beat Marquez, albeit still in a competitive fight due to the fact he has not improved certain aspects of his game that dramatically imo, not on the front foot anyway.

[straightleft]

He moves his head more, but his head movement is too predictable when he is coming foward, at times its almost like a token gesture than a defensive movement.

Marquez is a counter puncher that does not move after countering, he is there to be hit back whether he counters you or not, what will happen with a guy who moves after counter punching, or is bigger, capable of hurting you more with a single counter?

I dont make this thead in relation to a potential Marquez rematch, infact I reckon he would still beat Marquez, albeit still in a competitive fight due to the fact he has not improved certain aspects of his game that dramatically imo, not on the front foot anyway.

Like Floyd? But he must gather his balls first to see what will happen when they fight. Floyd skills are better than Pac but he is not like JMM who counterpunch in combination and not afraid to get hit in return. Floyd won't be able to beat Pac by pot shotting because Pac will overwhelm him by landing more than him. He has to put counterpunch in combination like JMM did to Pac but be prepared as Pac can hit him with his combination as well along the exchange. As his father Floyd sr. said in a tail dog sign. He was not confident enough Floyd will beat Pac. He able to see it through.

[bojangles1987]

He's not as predictable when he makes his move, like he used to be. Opponents used to be able to bank on Manny lunging in with the straight left to kick off any combination, now not so much. He also seems to have a much better understanding of how to counter punch and use the moments his opponents throw to let loose his superior handspeed.

It's not like he doesn't have any flaws, but he is clearly a better and smarter fighter. I thought the Cotto fight displayed that above doubt.