styles make fights: Abraham vs Ward

[Spray_resistant]

AA is an A fighter.

He was undefeated and ducked by Pavlik up until the Froch loss.

That's what suggests it.

I got AA to brutally k.o Ward myself.

Pavlik is another fighter made to look better than he is but even if Pavlik was an A level guy, someone not fighting someone else for whatever reason doesn't prove how good anyone is.....see Caba

AA's best win is shot Taylor who his daddy Froch ko'd before him, and a stoppage of Miranda that was a rematch from a fight Miranda could have easily gotten the W in.

When a fighter ends up with a questionable decision over Miranda he is not A level, you are delusional if you think Ward is not going to toy with him. I wouldn't rule out a corner stoppage.

[Pullcounter]

Pull you are speaking as if we are talking about 2 fighters on and A level when we are talking only about 1 in Ward.

AA is a C+ slightly better than Miranda level fighter, there was nothing before the Froch fight to suggest otherwise

I never said AA is an A level fighter.

I'm just saying, based on the styles, AA has a slightly better than puncher's chance to win. espeically with Ward's hold-n-hit style, it will put him in range of AA's power punches.

the blueprint to beat AA is to box him and outwork him. but Ward has yet to display great boxing skills in this tournament yet imho. Yeah, he's a great clinch-&-hit guy, but can he box.

[Spray_resistant]

I never said AA is an A level fighter.

I'm just saying, based on the styles, AA has a slightly better than puncher's chance to win. espeically with Ward's hold-n-hit style, it will put him in range of AA's power punches.

the blueprint to beat AA is to box him and outwork him. but Ward has yet to display great boxing skills in this tournament yet imho. Yeah, he's a great clinch-&-hit guy, but can he box.

AA can crack and has a punchers chance against almost anyone but in addition to having a low workrate doesn't seem to do well on the inside or have much skill in that regard either.

AA's plan= do nothing but block for 5 rounds, let your opponent outwork you and sweep the cards, then hope he is tried enough in the late rounds from punching that he can't get out of the way of your clumsy power shots.

Works on a C level but not against prime A level guys like Froch or Ward who seem to have great stamina and can keep fighting for all 12 without getting tried.

[Kagami Taiga]

a lot of wishful thinking in this thread. AA has shown for 2 fights in a row what happens when he goes against guys who are truly elite. his plan, which is to wait for the right time to unload a punch, doesnt change. therefore, he wont change, and in all honesty, he probably cant.

yes, styles make fights but out of all the fighters AA has fought, ward is essentially the hardest to hit cleanly and on the button. now tell me, what about his style is a danger to a guy like ward??

[Bastian Loc]

Pavlik is another fighter made to look better than he is but even if Pavlik was an A level guy, someone not fighting someone else for whatever reason doesn't prove how good anyone is.....see Caba

AA's best win is shot Taylor who his daddy Froch ko'd before him, and a stoppage of Miranda that was a rematch from a fight Miranda could have easily gotten the W in.

When a fighter ends up with a questionable decision over Miranda he is not A level, you are delusional if you think Ward is not going to toy with him. I wouldn't rule out a corner stoppage.

Caba is great he just didn't train and overlooked ****zau.

Miranda wasn't always garbage, he was a beast coming up. He started to look vulnerable after Pavlik cracked his chin.

I'll make easy points off you if Ward fights outside of Oakland for this fight.

[Spray_resistant]

Caba is great he just didn't train and overlooked ****zau.

Miranda wasn't always garbage, he was a beast coming up. He started to look vulnerable after Pavlik cracked his chin.

I'll make easy points off you if Ward fights outside of Oakland for this fight.

Will take whatever bet you want, when you are ready just let me know.

Also Caba is good but hey its his fault he missed the boat it seems. For him to get back on he would need to fight every couple months and look great. At 34 I don't see it happening.

[bojangles1987]

Ward is plenty capable of boxing outside like Dirrell did, and has done so plenty of times. He will have seen what Dirrell and Froch did, do the same thing, and at the same time get in some rough play on a soft Abraham. He'll win just as easily as Froch did.

[Pullcounter]

AA can crack and has a punchers chance against almost anyone but in addition to having a low workrate doesn't seem to do well on the inside or have much skill in that regard either.

AA's plan= do nothing but block for 5 rounds, let your opponent outwork you and sweep the cards, then hope he is tried enough in the late rounds from punching that he can't get out of the way of your clumsy power shots.

Works on a C level but not against prime A level guys like Froch or Ward who seem to have great stamina and can keep fighting for all 12 without getting tried.

you talk about primes and levels... when you gonna talk about styles???!!!

the style to beat AA is a boxer-mover, not a hug-n-hitter.

if ward doesn't box (and by box I mean use his legs, jab, and create distance) and stand in front of a heavy handed guy like AA, he is just giving AA opportunities to land that 1 punch KO.

[Sweet Jesus]

Pullcounter, you really have no knowledge of this sport, huh?

[Pullcounter]

a lot of wishful thinking in this thread. AA has shown for 2 fights in a row what happens when he goes against guys who are truly elite. his plan, which is to wait for the right time to unload a punch, doesnt change. therefore, he wont change, and in all honesty, he probably cant.

yes, styles make fights but out of all the fighters AA has fought, ward is essentially the hardest to hit cleanly and on the button. now tell me, what about his style is a danger to a guy like ward??

again with the "elite" and "slick" talk.

ward isn't slick. he smothers. he gets close to you, grabs your arm and hits you with the other arm. but because he's always in range, AA will have more opportunities to land punches. Considering AA is heavyhanded, not to mention dirty, I personally would advise ward to avoid the clinches. even if they aren't clean, ward will still take damage. why fight a grueling fight if you don't have to?

the blueprint is to outbox and outwork AA, not to out-clinch and out-dirty AA. can Ward beat AA with his hit-n-hold style? maybe, I just think it exposes him to unnecessary risk.