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  • Nautilus
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    #31
    Originally posted by Dude
    I find it hard to respect your opinion because you can't show me how you can support a group that has manipulated elections and poisoned their political enemy. You didn't say anything about the law that is needed for fair elections and that is blocked by these people either.

    And there really shouldn't be an argument about wether Kiew is the most important center and city in the Ukraine. It definitly is.

    I've heard different stories about Odessa but that's just the western media, right?

    Anyway, I respect you but I just can't understand your opinion. I didn't really want to change it I just wanted to hear your side of the story. Whatever, let's leave it here and move on.

    1. That's simply unfair. Each group has done its share of manipulation. I stated why I support Easterners in my very first post.

    2. Yes Kiev is the largest city, the capital of Ukraine. That's clear. There are other major centers of education, culture, and industry in Ukraine, and Kiev does NOT and should NOT decide for the whole country.

    Here are the voting numbers for major areas in Ukraine (I can provide more if you want):

    I. L'viv (western ukraine, 92% pro-Yushenko)
    II. Kyiv (center, 75% pro-Yushenko)
    III. Kharkiv (eastern, former capital of Ukraine, 70% pro-Yanukovich)
    IV. Odessa (southern, former intellectual and humor capital of Ukraine, 67% pro-Yanukovich )
    V. Donetsk (eastern, center of the coal-mining industry, 96% pro-Yanukovich)


    3. It is fine. It may be hard to accept that people may have different opinions and that about 45% of Ukrainians, let it be a minority (!), did vote for Yanukovich. Do you think they voted thinking "let's vote for this evil, un********ic guy," Dr. Evil so to speak? Just think about this.

    4. The whole business of ``Dr. Democracy vs. Dr. Evil" is a bad cliche ascribed to these elections (by some of the western media). The reality is far more complicated.

    OK. Peace now.
    Last edited by Nautilus; 12-13-2004, 03:58 PM.

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    • Pno
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      #32
      I admire someone who sticks up for what they believe, and who won't back down

      I hope that one day I'll be in a position like VK, helping where I can and using my talents to do so... it's what I aspire to do in life so you can understand why I'm passionate about it

      but on the other hand, I hope to never end up like the superficial bunch described ...



      oh, and nice avitar dude

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      • Bombardier
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        #33
        Originally posted by Pno
        I admire someone who sticks up for what they believe, and who won't back down

        I hope that one day I'll be in a position like VK, helping where I can and using my talents to do so... it's what I aspire to do in life so you can understand why I'm passionate about it

        but on the other hand, I hope to never end up like the superficial bunch described ...



        oh, and nice avitar dude
        I agree. Good luck achieving what you're after . Don't think you'll have to worry about turning into another Madonna.

        btw, Nautilus has a cool avatar too.

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        • Pno
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          #34
          yeah, that's some nice art!!!
          I'll have to get me one some day..
          don't know much about them, so i'm not bothering right this sec

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          • Nautilus
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            #35
            Originally posted by Bombardier
            I agree. Good luck achieving what you want .

            btw, Nautilus has a cool avatar too.

            It is a painting St. Isaac cathedral in St. Perersburg by a great Russian painter Aivazovskiy.

            The surrounding of the place looks diferent now than when Aivazovskiy painted it. I have never been there, but I dream of going there.
            Last edited by Nautilus; 12-13-2004, 03:51 PM.

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            • Bombardier
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              #36
              My dream Eastern/Southern European vacation:

              Moscow - St. Petersburg - Finland - Estonia - Latvia - Lithuania - Poland - Czech Republic (already been there, but it's amazing) - Bulgaria - Romania - Croatia - Greece - Istanbul.

              Been through the West and Centre on a similar trip. Hopefully I'll get to do this some day.

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              • Nautilus
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                #37
                Originally posted by Bombardier
                My dream Eastern/Southern European vacation:

                Moscow - St. Petersburg - Finland - Estonia - Latvia - Lithuania - Poland - Czech Republic (already been there, but it's amazing) - Bulgaria - Romania - Croatia - Greece - Istanbul.

                Been through the West and Centre on a similar trip. Hopefully I'll get to do this some day.

                I might do the same in a couple of years.

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                • Pno
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                  #38
                  I've only been as far east as Romania
                  but travelling the world is what my life will consist of God willing

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                  • BrooklynBomber
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                    #39
                    I understand Bombardier but dont agree with him. Vitaly is not a jerk for standing up for his people. Ali did the same thing. He was one of the activists of pro african american movement. Vitaly gained his popularity through fighting. He EARNED it. Now he takes a use of it. If he stood up for whathe thinks is right you can only respect it.
                    IMO any popular person might get involved in politics through out their careers. Just look at P.Diddy

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                    • RussianArm
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by pbds
                      ......Normaly I would agree with you about actors and athletes speaking out. However, in the grand scheme of things this situation(in the Ukraine) is larger than life and the consequences will have a profound effect on the everyday life of all of the people of the Ukraine. Move forward with democracy and freedom or go backwards to the old soviet ways with no real freedom and a life of fear. It doesn't get any bigger than that and I applaud Vit on this one and I back his stance.
                      Life of fear? Ya rite! It is fun living in Ukraine and don't let any old history teacher tell you otherwise, what can be more fun then robbing a kiosque that sells candy bars with an AK47?

                      That's right. Nothing.

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