Vitali's political stance

[Dude]

You distort what I have said.

It is not about democracy and freedom -- this is my opinion. period. You can not force me to change my opinion.

By "****s" I menat specific ultra-right parties in L'viv (who also drove out ***ish poluation from there), and not the 65%-pro-Yushenko Kiev. (not 90% as you say)

Yushenko probably was poisoned (I do not think Yanukobich did it though). I feel very sorry about this.

"Biased"???!!

I have many relatives and friends in Eastern Ukraine. I have lived in Western Ukraine for 10 years too. My grand-grandfather died in 1942, defending Ukraine from the **** invasion.

I care about Ukraine as much as Wlad and Vit do! I just have different views, but I do very much respect their views.

So you're basicly trying to say that it is a ********ic act to manipulate elections and poison political enemies (it is a fact that Yushenko was poisoned)?

And there have been and still are huge protests in Kiev and all over the country. What does it inidicate if even the students from the police academy demonstrate? There is an ultra right movement but neither Yushenko nor his voters do support them.

With biased I mean very onesided and not objective at all. I respect your love for the country and your position though I totally disagree with you.

[Nautilus]

So you're basicly trying to say that it is a ********ic act to manipulate elections and poison political enemies (it is a fact that Yushenko was poisoned)?

I was NOT saying this. Please read my post.

And there have been and still are huge protests in Kiev and all over the country. What does it inidicate if even the students from the police academy demonstrate? There is an ultra right movement but neither Yushenko nor his voters do support them.

There are demonstrations in Eastern Ukraine too. Western media don't show them. How is that for a bias?

With biased I mean very onesided and not objective at all. I respect your love for the country and your position though I totally disagree with you.

Look, it seems to the western media coverage is one-sided. Have you seen on the TV at least once the supporters of Yanukovich?

In conclusion, that's fine that we disagree.

As I said, I respect the views of Vitaliy, Wlad, and your views, but I do have a different opinion on the whole matter.

[Dude]

I am NOT saying this. Read my post.

Well, if you don't how could you possibly believe that Yanukovich and the people surrounding believe in democracy?

Look, it seems to the western media coverage is one-sided. Have you seen on the TV at least once the supporters of Yanukovich?

Yes I have and I know that there are people demonstrating for Yanukovich. But there are by far more people on the streets for Yushenko. And Kiew, the political and culturell centre, is extremly pro-Yushenko.

But that's not all. For example I really don't understand why the old regime blocks the new law that doesn't allow people to vote more than once by casting their vote(s) anywhere around the country.

[Nautilus]

Well, if you don't how could you possibly believe that Yanukovich and the people surrounding believe in democracy?

Yes I have and I know that there are people demonstrating for Yanukovich. But there are by far more people on the streets for Yushenko. And Kiew, the political and culturell centre, is extremly pro-Yushenko.

But that's not all. For example I really don't understand why the old regime blocks the new law that doesn't allow people to vote more than once by casting their vote(s) anywhere around the country.

1. I do believe that Yanukovich believes in democracy.

I also believe that some of his surrounding figures don't and they hurt Yanukovich much more than they help him.


2. There are at least four major cultural centers in Ukraine:

I. L'viv (western ukraine, 92% pro-Yushenko)
II. Kyiv (center, 75% pro-Yushenko, not sure about exact number)
III. Kharkiv (eastern, former capital of Ukraine, 70% pro-Yanukovich)
IV. Odessa (southern, former intellectual and humor capital of Ukraine, 67% pro-Yanukovich )
V. Dontesk (eastern, center of coal-mining industry, 96% pro-Yanukovich)

The demonstration that you see in Kiev are mostly pro-Yushenko and many people from Western Urkaine came to Kiev to support Yushenko.

There is not the single center that you refer to.

[Pno]

I think it's ashamed that someone would try to downplay this world champion's heart and his desires of it.

What is it that you want in your life? Do you aspire to help those in need? Do you want your family taken care of? Do you want your kids to go to college? Do you want your home town cleaned up and violence stopped there?

How will you go about these things? Have you ever heard of using your talents to the fullest? If you were on stage at the grammies or the oscars and you just won an award, who would you thank? What would you voice while the whole world could possibly be watching? What does your life portray?

This man, who uses what talents he was given to make the most out of his life, feels that his fellow countrymen are in need of strength, in need of hope, in need of a promising future. What if they can find strength in his words and in his actions when he only stives to be THE BEST. This is how life works at times. We find strength in other's words and in their deeds.

Life has gone so far away from these principals, and frankly I think that it's refreshing to see it and it renews my hope in humanity.

What you choose to do with your time, your success, your life is up to you. I don't think anyone should try to make him look bad for fighting for orphan's lives, helping children in need, and giving strength to his countrymen.



Pno

[LuKahnLi]

Whos the candidate they tried to kill with poisoning, and it ****ed up his skin?

They should make a movie about that ****!

[Nautilus]

To Pno:

I do not think anyone tries to make Vitaliy look bad!

Vitaliy is a Great Champion and I really respect his political views, and love and support that he shows for his country.



I love Ukraine as much as he does.

[Pno]

i totally understand that not everyone will agree with VK's political stance.
I just think that his example is a good one for all mankind, no matter their political stance.

[Bombardier]

I think it's ashamed that someone would try to downplay this world champion's heart and his desires of it.

What is it that you want in your life? Do you aspire to help those in need? Do you want your family taken care of? Do you want your kids to go to college? Do you want your home town cleaned up and violence stopped there?

How will you go about these things? Have you ever heard of using your talents to the fullest? If you were on stage at the grammies or the oscars and you just won an award, who would you thank? What would you voice while the whole world could possibly be watching? What does your life portray?

This man, who uses what talents he was given to make the most out of his life, feels that his fellow countrymen are in need of strength, in need of hope, in need of a promising future. What if they can find strength in his words and in his actions when he only stives to be THE BEST. This is how life works at times. We find strength in other's words and in their deeds.

Life has gone so far away from these principals, and frankly I think that it's refreshing to see it and it renews my hope in humanity.

What you choose to do with your time, your success, your life is up to you. I don't think anyone should try to make him look bad for fighting for orphan's lives, helping children in need, and giving strength to his countrymen.



Pno

Pno,

I do not agree that just because someone is famous they should speak their minds about any issue that they feel like talking about. In fact, because they are famous, they have a responsibility not to say anything unless they are fully informed on an issue. Too many Hollywood celebrities try to preach to the rest of us about what they think is "right" and believe that they have the right to do this just because they are famous. Sean Penn was notorious for criticizing Bush and the **********s and, while I agree with his stance, his smug arrogance actually turned many people off of voting against Bush. He was seemingly oblivious of this backlash, apparently content in his fantasy world where his half-assed opinions matter.

Similarly, celebrities have been trying to convince us that they're half-baked religions are the ultimate in theology for yaers. Years ago all they talked about was Scientology. Now it's Kaballah, which they know nothing about yet which they go on about at length with that same smug arrogance. This sort of talk is not doing the world any favours.

I agree that Vitali believes wholeheartedly in his stance on the situation in Ukraine. And again, I support his opinions. However, should we be hearing these opinions from a boxer? Shouldn't we be listening to political scientists and other related professionals? Why are we listening to sports and movie celebrities and not experts in these issues?

Again, there are arugments both for and against what Vitali is saying. But you cannot simply say that he should say something just because he has a stage.

[Dude]

Whos the candidate they tried to kill with poisoning, and it ****ed up his skin?

They should make a movie about that ****!

It's Yushenko and if you had read a lil carefullier you could have gotten that answer yourself.