Comments Thread For: Schaefer: Floyd Mayweather is Not on a Pacquiao (Rolex) clock!

[GRUSTLER]

You said in your previous posts that these guys didn't call out Floyd and you desperately asked and wanted to see links.

Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Manny all had and the ONLY reason that Cotto didn't is because once he was ready Floyd went into retirement. Links can be provided.

What you state about Mosley is again, a half truth. You are making the impression that Floyd was calling out Mosley and his priority was to fight Mosley and that he wanted to fight Mosley above everyone else (NOT TRUE)....... but Mosley had responded to Larry Merchant that if the money were right, perhaps November but Mosley DEFINITELY called out to fight Floyd if Floyd was willing to wait it out just a few lousy months.

Why wait?

1 - Mosley had just fought on July 15 2006
2a) - Mosley had plans to take off for a well deserved few months BEFORE those post-fight comments.
2b)- speculation on my part but I'm sure vacation was required also due to Mosley's marital problems ... again, this one is just speculation.
3 - Mosley SAID, for November I may not have enough time to train for Floyd PROPERLY.
4 - Mosley SAID I want to fight Floyd in early 2007. So my point was that Mosley did call out Floyd to fight him.
5 - Mosley actually fought in February 2007. So he really was stating things (see above) truthfully.

So the point was to tell you that Mosley DID state that he wanted to fight Floyd in early 2007 ..... Floyd, the constant vacationer, didn't wait. Wouldn't you think Floyd would wait if Floyd wanted Mosley too?



Again, these are all facts and was what you requested and links can be provided but I'm pretty sure now that you are realizing that perhaps you need to step back and make excuses and defend Floyd. No problem but your request was proof .... there is plenty of proof that it happened.

Oh, the biggest proof is that those fights NEVER happened. I mean, Cotto, Margarito, Williams. Yes, Mosley happened but it could have happened 3 years earlier. For me, even that Mosley was already at a downturn and out of prime but certainly better than the 2010 Mosley. As for Manny, let's hope it happens but didn't yet. Is Floyd waiting for Manny to get into 1 too many fights?



Stop bringing up Cotto at 140. You said it yourself, Cotto was not ready, so what was the point? You are making Floyd look bad by even mentioning him wanting a fight with a guy that was not ready.


The young Floyd called out Mosley: But you said it yourself, those guys moved up in divisions and Floyd knew that so what's the point?


As for the fight that actually happened with Oscar, I said it before, it was a good win (close) BUT that was not the same Oscar either.
- Oscar boxed part time, promoted part time, celebrity full time.
- Oscar had a very very average recent record going into that fight. (2-2 with 1 of those wins controversial and the other against Mayorga)
- Oscar no longer fought regularly.
- Oscar was no longer a prime fighter.
- The trainer, Roach, as you mentioned, said that is when he realized that Oscar can't pull the trigger anymore.

So the above was who Floyd fought. Not as scary as you presented it when you break it down, hey?

I proved my point. Check the blue highlight because
YOU said it not me. This post just sounds like a long rant
of your opinion that your trying to swurve into facts.
Got one more FACT for you......

With the win (Henry Bruseles), Mayweather sets up a proposed June bout with WBC champion Arturo Gatti, assuming Gatti gets past James Leija next weekend. Mayweather, however, seems to be looking to bigger and better things.

"I'm told that [Shane] Mosley and [Oscar] De La Hoya are going to 147," Mayweather said. "I plan to join them there."

[ADP02]

No, I don't really care about Mayweather, or any other fighter while they're on vacation. It's just that everyone has contradicted you, and provided quotes/links to support their assertion..... and yet you promised links, and haven't delivered yet.

Come on man, Cotto/Mosley/Margarito all had their chance, and Williams is a joke. Margarito got close, but vacationer took the lineal WW/Hoya route, which is a no-brainer, and cheato went on to lose to Williams.

The only good fighters you mentioned are Cotto, Mosley and Manny, and Cotto/Mosley both turned down Mayweather twice. Everyone knows that Manny turned down the fight in Dec because he wouldn't accept OST's without a 24 day cut-off.

Anyway who cares? That's old news, and Mayweathers on vacation. There are more valid issues currently affecting boxing imho.

While I agree with some of your points, you must note that it was Grustler that kept on making these requests. I just responded. Once I responded, he only countered like you just did. "Oh, they were not good to begin with anyhow"

BUT that isn't even the point ..... the point is that Williams, Margarito, Manny, Mosley DID call out Floyd and Cotto would have too but once he was ready, Floyd went into his vacation.

My above couple of sentences was what Grustler requested and I gave. Very simple request and I gave him the names.

there is no contradictions .... these are facts.

[GRUSTLER]

Sorry but I have given you facts on who have called out Floyd while you insist otherwise. Next time, don't make such requests as you did several times in this thread.

Facts? You have given nothing but, as you put it "SPECTULATION"
How can you bring facts to the table when you spectulate? Here is a
video of Mayweather calling out nuff Top fighters and NONE got at him.
You were supposed to provide me with links of Mayweather ducking
fighters not who called him out. Just waved the white flag buddy.

[ADP02]

I proved my point. Check the blue highlight because
YOU said it not me. This post just sounds like a long rant
of your opinion that your trying to swurve into facts.
Got one more FACT for you......

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Grustler, I stated that "2b" was speculation on my part. I actually said it twice so you don't come back with comments like you are doing now. Not cool buddy!

You had a request and I responded to your request. That was the main point of all this.

Before I turn it in for the night, I want to say one thing. Most boxing fans that critique Floyd it is on this point. Just have a look at how long he has been at 147. Just ask yourself why all the other 147 division boxers managed to fight each other (at least more often) but Floyd only did with an aging Mosley and it happened because of an earthquake in Haiti?

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While I agree with some of your points, you must note that it was Grustler that kept on making these requests. I just responded. Once I responded, he only countered like you just did. "Oh, they were not good to begin with anyhow"

BUT that isn't even the point ..... the point is that Williams, Margarito, Manny, Mosley DID call out Floyd and Cotto would have too but once he was ready, Floyd went into his vacation.

My above couple of sentences was what Grustler requested and I gave. Very simple request and I gave him the names.

there is no contradictions .... these are facts.

OK, good point.

But I don't ever remember hearing Cotto call out Mayweather, mind you Cotto doesn't talk **** like a lot of other fighters. And the point is, Cotto/Mosley/Manny may have called out Mayweather at some stage, when they were ready, but that's not how life works, and they all know that.

[GRUSTLER]

Grustler, I stated that "2b" was speculation on my part. I actually said it twice so you don't come back with comments like you are doing now. Not cool buddy!

You had a request and I responded to your request. That was the main point of all this.

Before I turn it in for the night, I want to say one thing. Most boxing fans that critique Floyd it is on this point. Just have a look at how long he has been at 147. Just ask yourself why all the other 147 division boxers managed to fight each other (at least more often) but Floyd only did with an aging Mosley and it happened because of an earthquake in Haiti?

Ok, out of all of them fighters in the division at that time. Who
became the Lineal champion? Actually Floyd beat the Lineal Champ
to become the Lineal Champ. Manny didn't even fight an old Mosley
when Mosley wanted the fight and was the top WW. BEFORE THE
EARTHQUAKE. Now Pacquiao is going to fight Shane after Mayweather
beat him? Admitting that you are using spectulation in a debate is
is "Not Cool Buddy". Paul Williams called Manny out and
Manny straight up said "NO".

[GRUSTLER]

OK, good point.

But I don't ever remember hearing Cotto call out Mayweather, mind you Cotto doesn't talk **** like a lot of other fighters. And the point is, Cotto/Mosley/Manny may have called out Mayweather at some stage, when they were ready, but that's not how life works, and they all know that.

When opportunity is presented to you, sometimes you have to take
it. While not being ready is understandable but can't put that on the
next man who was ready. Margarito was the only one who called
Floyd out back then, officially but Baldomir (same money & Lineal title),
Oscar (more money, stardom) and the beef with Bob Arum (Floyd buying
out of his contract) all played parts in the fights not happening.

[chito]

At the end of the day! Manny Pacquiao is going to need
to fight Floyd to solidify his claim as the P4P best in the
sport because he never beat Floyd to hold the title rightfully.
There are still some boxing experts and outlets that rate
Floyd as the best, still and homie ain't even fighting that much.
Talking about he don't need Floyd, Floyd needs him but Arum,
Roach and Manny have been mentioning Mayweather through
all of his previous fights and Floyd is not even thinking about
them dudes. Arum is using Floyd Mayweather Jr's name to help
sell Manny Pacquiao. That's a straight up marketing technique.
Why would people (Pac fans especially) believe that Floyd is
ducking Manny, when my sig tells the whole story as to who
has been prolonging the fight. In Arum's own words? How
could ANYONE debate that? Pac is going to fight Mosley after
Floyd dismantled Shane? Pac fans say Mosley was old against
Floyd? what about after Floyd and Mora? I think Manny is an
exciting fighter but clearly this guy is not trying to fight anyone
that can match him. He's a carefully constructed media hype
fighter. Bob Arum and Top Rank did a good job at making
Pac out to be the best in the sport.

c'mon this is too much floyd nuthugging. i thought we're the only ones (*******s) who nuthugg manny?

[GRUSTLER]

c'mon this is too much floyd nuthugging. i thought we're the only ones (*******s) who nuthugg manny?

Are you trying to tell me that my statement is not true?
All these guys talk about is Floyd Mayweather Jr and
he is not even saying anything about fighting at this
point. Arum used Floyd's name since Floyd bought
out of his contract. Arum has been consistently saying
Floyd is ducking his fighters but in actuality Arum don't
even want to deal with Floyd or Golden Boy AT ALL.
Perfect example, Mosley and now Marquez. How can
I be "huthuggin" Floyd when all of the things I mention
in my posts are true?

Could it be that you hate Floyd more than I supposedly
"nut hug" him? I mean come on! Arum says it loud and
clear in my sig. Arum hates Floyd and Golden Boy but
he keeps saying it is a priority to make the Floyd fight
happen but Shane is next up? They have been using
Floyd's name to help build Manny Pacquiao as the
fighter Floyd is avoiding but Manny was the one
who didn't want to fight over some random blood
testing? Not saying Pac is on something because I
don't know for sure but why would he not take the
tests back during the first negotiations?

He wanted a 24hr cut off and Floyd wanted 14.
I think Floyd did his part to try to fight Pac and
Pac didn't want it bad enough because IF he really
wanted to shut Floyd's mouth and his pops. Pacquiao
would have just said F!@k it! Lets go but Manny did
the opposite. So with all of this undeniable evidence,
I am supposed to believe that Arum is not using Floyd's
name to make Pacquiao richer? BULL****.

[chito]

Are you trying to tell me that my statement is not true?All these guys talk about is Floyd Mayweather Jr and
he is not even saying anything about fighting at this
point. Arum used Floyd's name since Floyd bought
out of his contract. Arum has been consistently saying
Floyd is ducking his fighters but in actuality Arum don't
even want to deal with Floyd or Golden Boy AT ALL.
Perfect example, Mosley and now Marquez. How can
I be "huthuggin" Floyd when all of the things I mention
in my posts are true?

Could it be that you hate Floyd more than I supposedly
"nut hug" him? I mean come on! Arum says it loud and
clear in my sig. Arum hates Floyd and Golden Boy but
he keeps saying it is a priority to make the Floyd fight
happen but Shane is next up? They have been using
Floyd's name to help build Manny Pacquiao as the
fighter Floyd is avoiding but Manny was the one
who didn't want to fight over some random blood
testing? Not saying Pac is on something because I
don't know for sure but why would he not take the
tests back during the first negotiations?

He wanted a 24hr cut off and Floyd wanted 14.
I think Floyd did his part to try to fight Pac and
Pac didn't want it bad enough because IF he really
wanted to shut Floyd's mouth and his pops. Pacquiao
would have just said F!@k it! Lets go but Manny did
the opposite. So with all of this undeniable evidence,
I am supposed to believe that Arum is not using Floyd's
name to make Pacquiao richer? BULL****.

yes, it isn't true and i don't know where you're getting this. it's unfair for pacquiao and all his supporters to say his promoter uses floyd's name to sell his fights!