1. everyone knows "8 division champ" is not legit. he has no business being up there. they worked the system to get the trinket.
CORRECT!! That title is a joke.
2. floyds accusation was the REASON fight didnt happen... YES, pac looked suspect refusing, but there is STILL no proof or alibi regarding pac juicing... it came down to BOTH camps' egos. and for people to say floyd agreed to everything, OF COURSE he did!!! pac had the upper hand in negotiations, floyd had to concede to pac's demands... retirement and a tune-up with fat jmm doesnt grant you negotiating power. floyds biggest card was that he pulled bigger numbers...
You have your head up your asss. I will explain why in my next post.
3. pac "ducking" sergio is about as bad as floyd "ducking" sergio right????
Don't be ridiculous. Did Arum turn down that fight for Mayweather, or for Manny? A typically dishonest Manny fan-boy approach.
I explained why, read it again. If that coward Pacquiao is too scared to fight the lightweight Marquez unless JMM will go up TWO DIVISIONS to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154? What a b1tch Manny.
4. catchweight argument??? again, how about you let cotto answer why he even took the fight if he was at such a disadvantage... on record, cotto said he felt great at the weight... weight was NOT an issue. BUT i do think team pac is wrong for not considering a catchweight for marquez. do your research, if catchweights make you a coward, then history would show plenty of all-time greats being cowards. besides, now pac wants to do a full WW fight, but its STILL not acceptable. LOL. so pac is expected to jump up to 154 or drop down to 140 for his next fight??? do we hold these expectations on anyone else??? its understandable if sergio cant "drain" himself to 150... and its fine that he cant move up to 168???? i agree with the catchweight thing is getting old for team pac, but discrediting EVERYTHING the guy did using that as an excuse is lame.
You missed the point.
I do not care if the weight-drain affected Cotto. But you do not have the right, or the knowledge, to tell me that it did not affect him..... and I think that Manny would probably have won anyway.
You missed the point, because I said that it was a b1tch move for Manny to ATTEMPT to drain Cotto, because he had already fought at 147 so had no need for the catch-weight demand. The fact that the bullet may have missed, does not lessen the intent.
And BTW, Cotto did not agree to the catch-weight demand.....
" Cotto has drawn a line in the sand and won’t be putting his WBO title on the line for this fight unless Pacquiao agrees to fight at 147 "..... http://www. boxing news 24 .com/2009/07/boxing-is-pacquiao-afraid-to-fight-cotto-at-147/
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Cotto got railroaded into agreeing by Team Pacquiao. What a b1tch move that was.
5. you can blame roach and pac for giving shane TOO much credit & respect... if the same shane that showed up for floyd shows up for pac, then we mightve had shane retired PERMANENTLY.
WTF are you on man? I can so call Manny a coward for ducking Mosley. That b1tch Pacquiao claims to be the greatest of all time, but he is ducking two 40yo men, one of whom is a midget You have extremely low expectations for Manny, and you have extremely low standards for yourself.
6. bleh, jmm is VERY dangerous still... im not going to argue that. pac is 144 MUSCLE... jmm is 135 MUSCLE... judging fight night weight can be misleading... either pac loses 4lbs of muscle OR jmm gains 5lbs of fat... either way will change the dynamic compared to their previous fights. i think marquez will give him trouble but pac will hurt the guy.
Who cares? I don't want your opinion as to who you think will win that fight. Both Roach and Ariza stated before the Margarito fight that Manny is a JWW, and can easily make 140. That b1tch Pacquiao is still piss-scared of the 40yo midget Marquez, and will not fight him unless he has every advantage. Manny is not content with that fight being a LW vs JWW, he wants it to be a LW vs WW because he is still piss-scared of Marquez.
Team Pacquiao..... Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004
floyds accusation was the REASON fight didnt happen... YES, pac looked suspect refusing, but there is STILL no proof or alibi regarding pac juicing... it came down to BOTH camps' egos. and for people to say floyd agreed to everything, OF COURSE he did!!! pac had the upper hand in negotiations, floyd had to concede to pac's demands... retirement and a tune-up with fat jmm doesnt grant you negotiating power. floyds biggest card was that he pulled bigger numbers.....
Wake up man !!
Oh wait, you mean..... when Mayweather insisted that Shane Mosley undertake OST's before their fight, that was just Floyd's way of ducking Mosley?
Because, he knew Shane wouldn't accept those ridiculous demands right ?
Jeez, Mayweather was lucky.....
just imagine if Shane had called his bluff and taken those nasty tests
It is absolutely ridiculous for you to think that the OST request was a duck.
The following "duck" excuses are ALL better than your one..........
FLOYD: " **** off, you're not getting 50% "
FLOYD: " **** off, 10 million per pound overweight is ridiculous "
FLOYD: " **** off, you're not a draw "
FLOYD: " **** off, you've had too many losses "
FLOYD: " **** off..... just **** off "
If Mayweather wanted a way out of that fight, do you really think that he would have accepted 50/50? or that silly 10mil per pound demand?
He would have used one of five excuses, and ALL of them would be better than your one..... because, Manny could have simply taken the test.
* OST's are HARMLESS !!
* OST's will be mandatory within a couple of decades
* OST's are mandatory NOW in ALL top amateur sports
But this is the main point.....
* Currently, if an amateur athlete avoids or obstructs an OST request, they are JUDGED GUILTY, by the sanctioning body, and by the public in general.
THE SAME WILL HAPPEN in a few years, because OST will be mandatory within boxing at that point in time.
In the future, boxing fans will wonder why Manny insisted upon a cutoff date - which will seem bizarre, because.....
a.) there is no such thing as a cut-off date for OST's
b.) EVERYBODY will be taking OST's as per regulation, at that point in time
Tell me genius.....
Team Pacquiao gave a total of 6 ridiculous excuses why Manny would not undertake random blood tests - which is a fkn joke. Requiring 6 different excuses means that none of them were any good, they just didn't want to take blood tests simple as that......
Floyd was toeing the line..... WHERE THE *** WAS MANNY ?
wax, tell me..... which one of those 6 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?
1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW oppenent.
2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.
3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.
4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.
5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!
6.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.
Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.
Team Pacquiao..... Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004
I agree that the fight was close and debatable but Floyd fought
and beat Castillo no questions asked in the rematch when Castillo
was heavier as a WW and Floyd was 138 at Lightweight. I am unbiased
but don't cosign the **** people put on Floyd because it's not true.
Floyd tried to make the fight with Cotto but Cotto wasn't ready
and Margarito could have happened but Arum/Mayweather fell
out over the De La Hoya fight. Those are facts. How can you
said what he could of did when he tried to do it? Judah was
the UNDISPUTED WW champion when Floyd signed to fight him
and when Baldomir beat Judah, Floyd fought him and became the
Lineal champion. Cotto and Margarito wasn't holding titles of
status like that. Pacquiao hasn't fought ANYONE undefeated
or a legit champion (Except Hatton) and even Floyd took his
"0". I just can't give Pac a past because unlike Floyd, he is not
fighting people coming off of wins or legit champions like Floyd has.
Am I wrong about that?
IMO, a loss isnt as serious as people make it out to be... sergio/pac/jmm all have losses. didnt mean they couldnt bounce back and improve because of it. if pac was to beat bradley/berto/alexander/or any other unproven undefeated fighter, whats the point if the fighter was outclassed??? too much emphasis on records... opponents & performance matter to me. trust, pac's been picking some lousy opponents, but the way he dominates them is a thing of brutal beauty... same with floyd, his victories over jmm & shane were a great display of boxing... sucks floyd cant get his act together.
One is he is susceptible to a straight left hand. He is in the wrong position to pull away from it.
Pacs is like a LAZER
Two is Mayweather ALWAYS leaps in with the left hook with head held high.
Pacs right hook is made for that. Remember here on boxingscene a couple of days ago on poster had Judah knocking down (glove hit the mat) Mayweather?? Didge see it ?? Zab's Right HOOK , caught him perfectly.
We know Zab couldn't carry Pacs Jock strap.
We know Pac is a perfect counter puncher and sets traps.
Thang is dumbass , Mayweather knows this and thats why he has come up with OST , ducking , hiding beating women etc........... and probably going to jail, to get out of SIGNING THE CONTRACT !!!!!!!!
Maybe you dumbass should go hold his hand. Here , take this with you , one for you and one for him,,,,,,,,[/QUOTE]
One is he is susceptible to a straight left hand. He is in the wrong position to pull away from it.
Pacs is like a LAZER
Two is Mayweather ALWAYS leaps in with the left hook with head held high.
Pacs right hook is made for that. Remember here on boxingscene a couple of days ago on poster had Judah knocking down (glove hit the mat) Mayweather?? Didge see it ?? Zab's Right HOOK , caught him perfectly.
We know Zab couldn't carry Pacs Jock strap.
We know Pac is a perfect counter puncher and sets traps.
Thang is dumbass , Mayweather knows this and thats why he has come up with OST , ducking , hiding beating women etc........... and probably going to jail, to get out of SIGNING THE CONTRACT !!!!!!!!
Maybe you dumbass should go hold his hand. Here , take this with you , one for you and one for him,,,,,,,,[/QUOTE]
Right, right...I guess you were doing your Dr. Evil impersonation when you were talking about Pac's "lazer".
And I guess Judah whooped Floyd using that stradegy to. But I guess Judah didn't have that "lazer" (I'm doing my Dr. Evil impersonation) and that's why he couldn't beat floyd.
Floyd beat every type of fighter you can imagine. Slick, brawler, boxer, counter puncher, fast, slow, heavier, lighter and anything else you can imagine.
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