Wilfredo should be awarded "The greatests fighter who ever lived at one division" award.
Dude owned everybody at superbantamweight like nobody else has for the longest time.
I agree though in terms of individual quality, Puerto Rico hasnt have had a Duran, Leonard or Chavez in our history.
But as an unison, things like averaging a triple division champ in every 7 champions, and owning a titlist in`17 divisions, and taking in the fact of our population makes Puerto Rico right now the P4P champs.
I was just poking at tito with that comment, I wasn't serious lol.
im not arguing at all with you on the fact that mexico is a great boxing nation. they are ONE of the best. the argument can be made on both sides that Mexico is better than Puerto Rico, and vice versa. I agree with you on the fact that Salvador Sanchez was a great fighter! But was Gomez not a great fighter because of his accomplishments as well? I'm not trying to start a war with anyone, I'm just simply stating facts along with my opinions. I don't think it's wrong of me/ignorant to say that PR is also one of the greatest (and arguably, the greatest) boxing nation around...
but people always bring up that mexico is big thats why they have so many champs which is partly true but not the whole reason. If not countries like china germany all those big countries would have tons of champs but they dont which goes show that mexico is apart from the rest. And no boxing is not the number one sport its soccer and tons of others sports are played.
Wilfredo should be awarded "The greatests fighter who ever lived at one division" award.
Dude owned everybody at superbantamweight like nobody else has for the longest time.
I agree though in terms of individual quality, Puerto Rico hasnt have had a Duran, Leonard or Chavez in our history.
But as an unison, things like averaging a triple division champ in every 7 champions, and owning a titlist in`17 divisions, and taking in the fact of our population makes Puerto Rico right now the P4P champs.
Right now you guys are the p4p nation? Are you serious? You guys have 3 champs cotto will get killed by any top 154 pounder. Juanma and vazquez both are green and dont have signicant wins unless you count and old past his prime rafa moving up in weight. The klits are more impresive than a whole nation puerto rico. They own the heavy weight division and its just a pair of brothers.
Per capita, one might have to go with Puerto Rico. There are nearly four million Puerto Ricans on the island and four million in the mainland United States. (P.R. is a U.S. territory, a commonwealth, not an independent country. But, let's face it, most people tend to view it as a country. For the sake of this discussion, I think it's appropriate.) So many past and present champions from such a small population is impressive.
Panama might rival P.R. for the crown, though. There are only a little over three million people in Panama and only about 120,000 live in the U.S. That's less than half the number of Puerto Ricans living in the United states and their native land.
Although Mexico produces great and legendary fighters, the population of that country is over 108 million, second only to Brazil as the most populous Latin American country. There are more Mexicans -- not even counting those in the U.S. -- than Puerto Rico, Panama, Colombia (#3), Argentina (#4) and Cuba, combined. On a per capita basis, Mexico can't even be mentioned in the argument.
Cuba has produced some great professional fighters in the past, but has been limited to mainly amateur greatness since 1959, when Castro took power. If we're talking about amateur boxing success (per capita), there's no contest, Cuba is the juggernaut. As for their professional success? Cubans have only recently started to make themselves known again in the pro ranks, with all the defections of the past few years, so the jury is still out....
Over in Europe:
There are about 51 million people in England, almost 60 million Italians, 82 million Germans, 46 million Ukrainians and 142 million Russians, just to name a few of the better known boxing countries. It's probably safe to say that none of these lands can make a good argument for "Per Capita Champion of Boxing."
Ireland has a relatively small population -- a little over 4 million people. They might be a contender, along with P.R. and Panama. But it's tough to gauge the influence of Irish-ancestry boxers living in the United States, since the Irish have been immigrating to the U.S. for hundreds of years.
For the sake of making this long post a little shorter, I'll pick one obvious representative for Asia....
The Philippines has a population of over 92 million people, claiming more than forty current and former world champion boxers. That's a nice showing. But does it sound like a great per capita ratio?
Historically, the United States can certainly claim the highest number of great boxers. But, per capita, that's probably not the case, with a population exceeding 310 million(!) people.
this by far is the most intelligent post I have ever seen on this forum, I would green k if I could.
Europeans have the best amatuer system, which is why they tend to have successful careers. But as far as raw talent. Cuba's a good guess, but I don't know.
But when u get a seriously great African American fighter, they r hard to beat. Floyd and Hopkins r proof of that.
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