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[jrosales13]

The belt that was contested in the catchweight bout between Margarito and Pac was a WBC belt. Of course, they would place Margarito as number 1 to even justify making that farce of a fight. They stand to make money by making that fight. If look at the Ring Rankings or any other THIRD PARTY ranking system, Margarito and Pac, for that matter, were nowhere near the top 10 at 154. Let's say you don't believe any of the rankings. Ask yourself. Who did Margarito beat that was even in the top 10 at 154 to receive a shot at the 154 lb title?

You making a whole different argument...Your argument if he deserved it...I am not arguing... The writer and the TS were saying that Marg were not rank #1 or #2... Which he was by the belt they were fighting in. Whether or not he deserved it is irrelevant to that argument.

[check hook]

MP vs Margo for a belt at 154 was a manufactured farce. I consider Manny a seven division belt winner........not 8.

[The Evil 1-2]

You making a whole different argument...Your argument if he deserved it...I am not arguing... The writer and the TS were saying that Marg were not rank #1 or #2... Which he was by the belt they were fighting in. Whether or not he deserved it is irrelevant to that argument.

Well, we found common ground in the sense that we both agree that Margarito did not deserve that shot at the title. However, on the ranking issue, we do not. Rankings reflect the best fighters in a certain division. The higher you rank, the more entitled you are to getting a title shot. Now, let's look at the various ranking systems. To my knowledge, it's best to get your rankings from third party systems. One of the more respected ranking systems out there are The Ring Rankings. I have never seen anyone refer to the WBC rankings to even gauge who the top dogs are in any division. Margarito isn't even on ranked according to the Ring Rankings at 154.

[jrosales13]

Well, we found common ground in the sense that we both agree that Margarito did not deserve that shot at the title. However, on the ranking issue, we do not. Rankings reflect the best fighters in a certain division. The higher you rank, the more entitled you are to getting a title shot. Now, let's look at the various ranking systems. To my knowledge, it's best to get your rankings from third party systems. One of the more respected ranking systems out there are The Ring Rankings. I have never seen anyone refer to the WBC rankings to even gauge who the top dogs are in any division. Margarito isn't even on ranked according to the Ring Rankings at 154.

Again bro, you're having a total different argument. Maybe you should go back to the post I replied to, I don't know.

Nobody, well not me anyways is saying the WBC rankings is a way to gauge wo the top dogs are.

I am not saying Marg was a top 10 fighter at 154.

I am not saying Marg deserved the shot.

What the writer and the TS said was that Marg was not ranked #1 or #2 by the WBC... Which is not true... He was ranked #1 by the WBC. The belt they fought fought. Julio Cesar Jr how was ranked #1 got removed and was placed as the mandatory for the WBC MW belt. He got replaced by Margarito followed by Angulo, Alvarez, Rhodes, and Mosley rounds of the top 5 in the WBC JR MW rankings.

Now I see a lot of things wrongs with that ranking. That is not how I would have my personal rankings. But, that was their(WBC) rankings. That is where the argument lies with the TS and the writer of that article.

[The Evil 1-2]

Again bro, you're having a total different argument. Maybe you should go back to the post I replied to, I don't know.

Nobody, well not me anyways is saying the WBC rankings is a way to gauge wo the top dogs are.

I am not saying Marg was a top 10 fighter at 154.

I am not saying Marg deserved the shot.

What the writer and the TS said was that Marg was not ranked #1 or #2 by the WBC... Which is not true... He was ranked #1 by the WBC. The belt they fought fought. Julio Cesar Jr how was ranked #1 got removed and was placed as the mandatory for the WBC MW belt. He got replaced by Margarito followed by Angulo, Alvarez, Rhodes, and Mosley rounds of the top 5 in the WBC JR MW rankings.

Now I see a lot of things wrongs with that ranking. That is not how I would have my personal rankings. But, that was their(WBC) rankings. That is where the argument lies with the TS and the writer of that article.

OK, I now see what you're saying. The article did state that the vacant title should been fought between the number 1 and number 2 contenders. Margarito is ranked number 1 according to the WBC, no dis*****g that. However, the reason there was an uproar from the writer, the TS, and many others is because of how Margarito immediately became number one. He beat Roberto Garcia and he isn't even in the top 20 as I'm looking at the WBC rankings now. Again, with more credible rankings such as the Ring Ratings, Margarito wasn't even on their rankings. How did Margarito even jump to number one according to the WBC, when other third party ranking systems didn't even support that move? If Pac would have fought somebody who was actually ranked by a THIRD PARTY SYSTEM AND NOT THE SANCTIONING BODY ITSELF, his "8th title" really would been AN 8TH TITLE (well, that's not bringing up the catchweight title against Cotto). Do you not see the illegitimacy of such an achievement? The catchweight for the title added further insult to injury.

[jrosales13]

OK, I now see what you're saying. The article did state that the vacant title should been fought between the number 1 and number 2 contenders. Margarito is ranked number 1 according to the WBC, no dis*****g that. However, the reason there was an uproar from the writer, the TS, and many others is because of how Margarito immediately became number one. He beat Roberto Garcia and he isn't even in the top 20 as I'm looking at the WBC rankings now. Again, with more credible rankings such as the Ring Ratings, Margarito wasn't even on their rankings. How did Margarito even jump to number one according to the WBC, when other third party ranking systems didn't even support that move? If Pac would have fought somebody who was actually ranked by a THIRD PARTY SYSTEM AND NOT THE SANCTIONING BODY ITSELF, his "8th title" really would been AN 8TH TITLE (well, that's not bringing up the catchweight title against Cotto). Do you not see the illegitimacy of such an achievement? The catchweight for the title added further insult to injury.

Of course, I don't consider Pac an 8 division title holder. And, any respectable ranking like BoxingScene(Who I think has the best rankings) and The Ring do not have neither Pac nor Marg top 10 right now. And, Pac is a title holder at that weight-class and is not in the top 10 in any respectable ranking like The Ring and BoxingScene. Just shows you how lame that whole situation was.

[sweetpea87]

So anyone who speaks on the WBC sanctioning a 154lbs title match for a vacant belt with 2 guys who are NOT #1 & #2 @154lbs is a HATER?

The WBC organization has always been and will always be corrupt as shit. This is not the first catch weight fight for a belt and won't be the last. I don't think belts should be fought at catch weights either, but to say out of all the fights that this one is the biggest mockery or the sport is ridiculous. Besides the Ring belt all these belts are pointless anymore anyways.

[The Evil 1-2]

Of course, I don't consider Pac an 8 division title holder. And, any respectable ranking like BoxingScene(Who I think has the best rankings) and The Ring do not have neither Pac nor Marg top 10 right now. And, Pac is a title holder at that weight-class and is not in the top 10 in any respectable ranking like The Ring and BoxingScene. Just shows you how lame that whole situation was.

Well damn, I never thought I would hear that type of statement by someone with a Pacquiao avatar, lol. I stand corrected. Thanks for not immediately labeling me a Pac hater. I appreciate that we were able to arrive at some sort of common understanding on the topic. I just think that most fail to see the bad that Manny does and just look at the good things. You have take the good with the bad in life.

[AFighter4U]

Saul Alvarez is a champ at 154 who would you think will win Margarito or Alvarez both fighters came in at 150 day before the fight.

[BennyST]

Where the f**k was he or you for that matter when the WBC sanctioned a title match for a vacant belt between humberto soto and francisco lorenzo...neither of whom were 1 or 2 at the division???

Ummmmm........Soto was the WBC Interim Champ you moron. That's how they fought for the title. Also, Lorenzo had fought at 130 his whole career and Soto had been fighting there for about three years and was the Interim Champion and they fought at the full weight of 130. How is it even remotely similar? It's not!!! Soto was the Interim Champion! He was the number one guy and the most legitimate guy to fight for it.

People have to realise something here. When you are the P4P number one and are going for what is a historically significant and supposedly record breaking 8th division title but it's at a catchweight.... for a vacant title.... in a division neither guy was ranked in or should ever have been ranked in.... against an opponent who had been nearly killed in his last significant fight and caught cheating it kind of really does make a mockery of the sport. When you call Pac an 8 division champ and one of the greatest fighters ever but ignore this stuff or compare it to Duran or Armstrong's achievements, well, what do you expect?

But, without the title ****e, it's still better than hanging around to beat up on guys that Marquez had just knocked out. Hang on.... No, it's the same thing. You either beat up on guys who have been knocked out by Margrito (in Cotto's case) or Mosley (in Marg's case) or Mayweather (in Hatton's case) or Marquez (in Diaz and Casamayor's case). They are just in the division, or divisions, above so I guess that makes it all ok. Funny how people laugh at the thought of fighting Casamayor with the excuse "He was just knocked out by Marquez!" but then talk about the Cotto and Margarito win as some amazing achievement. I guess it's the weight.