Breaking Down Wlad, Title Reign, Resume & Legacy?

[jrosales13]

I didn't even make a statement about Khan in this thread you ****** ass illiterate Mexicant.

You're just mad cause you can't answer my questions about Lewis' title reign without sounding even dumber than you already do.

Are you trying to insult me by calling me a Mexican or do you really believe I am a Mexican?



And, not in this thread but you have before what is the difference. Of course I can answer your question. I did already...

I just find it funny you make ****** ass statements but don't have the faith and wants to ask for odds after acting like he was so sure...It seems like a contradiction to me but eh...Whatever.

[jrosales13]

My 33 million vs your 99 million.

Those are the standard vegas odds.

Accept the bet and I will take every last one of your points.

My 99 to your 61 and you got a deal...

If not then just STFU...about how Maidana would beat Khan...

[jrosales13]

I meant to give you red for post #14.

Oh, OK well with that said Lewis right now has a better resume than Wlad.

[Steelhammer2011]

Wlad is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.

- ATG and HOF

- Most dominant fighter in the world

- Has cleaned out the HW division

- IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified heavyweight champion of the world

- Olympic Gold Medalist

- 50 KOs in 56 wins

- Has made 17 dominant world title defences

- Has defeated 8 world heavyweight champions:

Chris Byrd I (31-1)
Chris Byrd II (39-2)
Sam Peter I (24-0)
Sam Peter II (34-3)
Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Lamon Brewster (33-3)
Hasim Rahman (45-5)
Francois Botha (44-3)
Ray Mercer (30-4)

- has defeated tons of top contenders:

Eddie Chambers (35-1)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Tony Thompson (31-1)
Jameel McCline (28-2)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Ray Austin (24-3)
DaVarryl Williamson (20-2)
Axel Schulz (26-3)
Derrick Jefferson (23-2)
Charles Shufford (17-1)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
Dereck Chisora (14-0)
etc....

[TheMexHurricane]

(Wladamir has beaten 8 current or former world champions)

So whats your take on Wlad's legacy, resume, & title reign?[/QUOTE]

The reason for the recent poor quality of US heavyweights is because every big black kid in the US in the mid 80's-mid 90's wanted to be like Mike(Jordan) instead of Mike(Tyson).

[paulf]

I would probably rate Lennox Lewis above Wlad at the moment. Lewis faced some massive competition as well as unified the titles in his day.

Wlad still has plenty of career left, though. Its weird how the Klitschkos have hurt themselves as individuals in the ATG argument by both holding titles and taking on different dangerous oppenents while refusing to fight each other. But they are brothers and their goal was to bring all the titles in the Klitschko family, and they're close to doing that.

If Vitali retires maybe Wlad will unify the titles.

[Hitman932]

I would probably rate Lennox Lewis above Wlad at the moment. Lewis faced some massive competition as well as unified the titles in his day.

Any person who is honest about Lewis' resume would admit that Wlad could go through his resume and get the same results, maybe even better.

Lewis' biggest career win was against Holyfield, who was a natural cruiser.

Lewis also gets credit for beating relative midgets in Tyson, Tua and Botha whereas Wlad gets a bunch of **** from people who say he is only good because of his size advantages.

Maybe after the Klitschkos retire, as is the case with Lewis, people will remember their competition as being much tougher than it actually was.

[Clyde Barrow]

Wlad's had a tremendous run. He was considered done for after he got KO'd by Brewster. Since then he's barely lost a round and has destroyed everyone put in front of him. His weight class is in a lull state, so he doesn't get all the respect he should. Wlad's reign is a strong one though.

[Hitman932]

Wlad's had a tremendous run. He was considered done for after he got KO'd by Brewster. Since then he's barely lost a round and has destroyed everyone put in front of him. His weight class is in a lull state, so he doesn't get all the respect he should. Wlad's reign is a strong one though.

Lewis' weight class was not in a lull, yet he never faced Bowe or a legit version of Tyson (not blaming Lewis just stating he didn't fight his best best peers at their pinnacle)

I believe that people have looked back at Lewis' resume and made it out to be better than it is mostly because of the current state of the Heavyweight Division.

Looking at the performances guys put up against Wlad you inevitably think "the guys Lewis fought had to be better than this right?" But when you get down to the nitty gritty it really isn't true.

Does anyone believe Wlad would have any trouble with Tua, Akinwanda, Tony Tucker?

Does anyone believe Wlad wouldn't be able to outbox Holyfield from the outside?

Does anyone believe Wlad couldn't beat an emasculated pothead cokehead version of Mike Tyson?

I give Lewis credit for beating Vitali, but the rest of his defenses? They were no better than what Wlad has accomplished.

And this is not to say that Lewis doesn't rank higher historically because I believe he certainly does at this point.

My assertion is only that the gap between their resumes is much smaller than most people believe and Wlad has 3-4 more years to add on some wins that could very well allow him to surpass some significant historical milestones that would absolutely set him apart from any heavyweight of the past 20 years.