Arthur Abraham: I'm just not a super middleweight. (I will fight Ward)

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Dude you can't agree to disagree can you, you just repeat and repeat without compromise.

What do you want me to compromise on? Repetition begets repetition.

I nor anyone else AFAIK said he's TOO small per say. He is as a matter of fact shorter, has less reach and is smaller than all the others in the super 6 be they old or new in the tourney. No matter what you say that is to SOME degree, relevant, and not at least, a positive. That's that.

It's not the key factor. Another guy observed that he is, in truth, built about average for the weight. His measurements are solid. That's that.

If he gets rid of Wegner, replaces him with someone good and dedicates, he can improve.

Really, resorting to such lame name calling just for liking a fighter, much like you do? Grief I was half playing devils advocate and mocking myself. Don't take shit so seriously.

Truth is often said in jest, Kris. And your Calzaghe man-love is the guiding light behind your resentment of Carl. And that is utterly Gay.

Don't take **** so seriously, BTW. It's just a figure of speech.

Dude he's been quoted so many times speaking ill of Calzaghe, Khan, Abraham and others often not in relevent ways or times, that it's ridiculous. You can like it fine, but don't make out like because you like it and him, and say what he does makes him great, doesn't mean your right and everyone has to agree with you. It just so happens they don't, but I can at least respect your view somewhat. I would do more so if you weren't so arrogant about it however.

Who cares? Lighten up. Like his banter, don't like his banter, he's all spirit and he delivers the fights people want to see - if you can't get behind that, you're silly!

All I've done it mention Calzaghe and you've gone off on one, resorting to petite name calling and assumptions I'm wrong because of whom I support. All your doing is exactly that with your guy, ironically enough.

**** Joe, okay? I followed him the whole time he was active, but his career was a ****ing disappointment, ultimately. I don't blame him for much, but I'm not going to inflate what he did to make myself feel about the sense of unfulfilled promise.


You know why I support Carl? It's not because I've always been predisposed to support fighters who are derided as slow, defenceless chins on legs. My support for Carl owes to some fairly objective reasoning - while I've long insisted his skills were somewhat slept on, the reason I've always backed Froch, aside from finding him amusing, is his attitude, his spirit, his willingness to put it on the line. He's a rare treasure in this climate.
Now he's exceeding my expectations of him (I bet on him to get caught and stopped against AA, with the hope he'd prove me wrong) and it's a beautiful thing. Much more enjoyable an experience than suspecting a guy had something special and following his career only to see him never push his limits consistently and retire an underachiever.

Heavyweight division is always going to get more attention, and Haye markets himself better as the stat's prove. Heck for what it's worth I agree Froch deserves more attention, all I'm saying is there's often reasons why your not getting it, and I can see what he's not endeared himself to the public, that's all. Yes, it is a shame in some ways, I'm happy to admit he deserves more.

Eubank and Benn were domestic stars in the era of Bruno.

Naz was a star in the era of Lewis.

Khan's as big a Star as Haye, I could've used him as an example instead.

Haye's marketing is aided by the ****s at Sky Sports, who lie through their ****-stained teeth for him.

Now what's your excuse for saying Froch isn't worhy of Stardom? Either you're ****** or you know full well he is and are just denying him for spite.


Doesn't matter if those fools never get the memo. The people who know where it's at will make Carl a cult treasure.

In your opinion. Your clearly seriously disgruntled with your guy not getting more attention. It's not me that's done it so stop shooting your gun off so wildly. Don't attack me for merely mentioning a fighter I'm a fan of like so many are, then expect me to respect you when you insist your guys god and everyone should agree, that sir, is hypocrisy.

Yep, in my considered and educated opinion, which >>>>>>>> yours. Suck it up.

To the bold, nope. Again, it doesn't matter if those fools never get the memo. The people who know where it's at will make Carl a cult treasure.

I'm not the one who's insisting my guy is God. Did I just say that his performances have exceeded my expectations (which were believing and spirited, but also hopeful and tentative) up to now? I'm well aware of Froch's fallibility and am a little edgy about his next fight...but even if he takes an 'L' against Johnson, that's still another quality name on the record and one that Joe didn't touch, t'boot.

I didn't "attack" you. I said it that it's silly to allow yourself to love a male like a female would and then to let that blind you to reality.

I think we'll leave it there. You don't seem to respond well to objective non name calling discussion and seem to resort lower by the reply, of which I won't lower myself. Best of luck to you, though.

That's incredibly rich.

There's nothing objective about you when it comes to Froch and Calzaghe. That's long established.

I called you Gay. It's figurative, I'm not suggesting you might really fellate guys and if you do it's not my business. Don't be so silly.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Abraham is comfortable walking forward and taking shots on his gloves. he walked through some hard shots, but he spent the whole night looking for one shot, and he didn't try and create openings.

Froch used his combination punching and strength well but there was openings for Abraham throughout the fight but he seemed content to hide behind his guard.

He was taking a good beating and getting hurt, P. He wasn't comfortable. He deserves credit for his toughness and determination, especially when some suggested before the fight that he would quit if it played out in that fashion.

And he wasn't content with how it was going. He just didn't come with anything to potentially solve the issue, because he wasn't prepared to do that by Wegner.

He tried his best, he just didn't have answers. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand what they were seeing.

[Who are you?]

If Abraham doesnt feel ready, prepared. Maybe he should leave the tournament and that would be in his best interest. Another loss could be career-ending.

Kessler & Dirrell & Taylor have already pulled out.

Maybe its in Arthur's best interest to do the same...

[Drunk Punch]

This is really quite sad and pathetic from AA. He's already admitting defeat and got his excuses ready before even fighting. Why wasn't he saying this bull**** when he KTFO'd Taylor?

You're not too short. You're too scared.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

You're not too short. You're too scared.

Yeah, AA is really scared,




Threadfulladopes.

[shogun1123]

AA is a guy I used to really really dislike, but now I'm actually feeling sorry for the guy. He has all the tools, but he doesn't know how to utilize it. I mean, Tyson is one of his favorites fighters, and it's a bit ironic that while AA has zero upperbody movement, Tyson had great head/ upperbody movement. There were many opportunities where Abraham could have slipped Froch's jab and thrown a counter right over the top, but that style of his has really messed him up. It's like his body is automatically engineered to go into a shell once his opponents throw, anyone notice that? Clottey has the same issues too.

I noticed this too and immediately thought about Clottey. It also makes me think about the AA vs. Jermaine Taylor fight.

AA victory over JT should be given to Bernard Hopkins. Bernard took something out of Taylor in those two fights.

AA has has not been looking so good since he just got past Taylor

AA is really really overrated.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Oh, yeah - one more thing, Kris,


David Haye taks thee most ****. He just doesn't back it up is the only difference.

Call me back when Froch fights a 39 y/o SMW never-was who got KO'd by a domestic level guy and owned by a gutsy, cab-drivin' Prizefighter guy and was last relevant 5 years ago.

Now tell me people have got their priorities right in assisting that sham. And worse, the insulting attempts to market it as Eubank-Benn III (a cheap ripoff faux-continuum of the Great rivalry that fuelled Froch's teenage hopes and dreams).




KrisSilver, you are not honest.

[Tiozzo]

it is not his size that is his problem, it is his skill set

AA is a brawler, period

both Eubank and Benn were former middleweight title holders, they were 5'10, like AA, and they had very successful careers at super middleweight although they weren't always facing the best

[minasyan]

At least his still fighting he could have easily left the tournament like a lot of others.

[Hitman932]

At least his still fighting he could have easily left the tournament like a lot of others.

Probably the only reason he will go ahead with the Ward fight is because there is a guaranteed purse and if he doesn't he will never approach that level of pay again.

I still there is a great chance of him pulling out. His trainer threw him under the bus and he even must admit he will have literally zero chance of beating Ward.