Comments Thread For: Marquez Shreds Pacquiao's Record, It's Getting Personal

[IMDAZED]

I like Marquez but the problem I have here is this: Micheal Katsidis, Juan Diaz, Rocky Juarez these guys for the most part are also fighters who come forward and their styles are made to order for Juan. Juan mentions that Manny beat Barrera, but I had Marco ahead on my score card. So, in my mind, Juan really lost to a boxer that Manny destroyed once and beat the second go around.

I give Juan big props for knocking out Casamayor, but Joel was on his way to losing to Katsidis had Micheal not become over anxious for the knockout. Does anyone believe that Joel was on the top of his game when he fought Juan? The only recent fighter that I can think of off the top of my head who has set up fights for himself that are disastrous for his fighting style is Shane Mosely (and I'm referring to the Wright, Forrest, Mayweather, and Mora fights when I say that).

Thank you...I'm still trying to figure out why people are hyping this fight. Marquez would get battered by Manny at this point.

[MoneyLarry]

I rather see Juan Manuel Marquez fight Manny Pacquiao than Andre Berto, Shane Mosley & Floyd Mayweather Jr since we all know Floyd isn't gonna fight him. Nobody wants to see Pacquiao fight Berto or Mosley. Marquez just wants a pay day. Marquez won't last 6 rounds with Pacquiao right now. He'll end up getting knock the **** out cold. Pacquiao is a completely better different fighter since they last fought.

[megadeth]

I rather see Juan Manuel Marquez fight Manny Pacquiao than Andre Berto, Shane Mosley & Floyd Mayweather Jr since we all know Floyd isn't gonna fight him. Nobody wants to see Pacquiao fight Berto or Mosley. Marquez just wants a pay day. Marquez won't last 6 rounds with Pacquiao right now. He'll end up getting knock the **** out cold. Pacquiao is a completely better different fighter since they last fought.

Wasn't this EXACTLY what was said b4 their previous fight?

[pactardsowhat]

Marquez should fight Mosley or Margarito first

Marquez should fight Mosley because it's easier to arrange the way it was "fixed" with Floyduckie when they fought. A day before the fight of Pacquiao and Hatton, Floyduckie declared a fight with Marquez and the latter got cheated with catchweight but no buzznews about it. But when Pacman fought ODH by the latter request and made Pacman jumped two weight divisions for his advantage, there were deluge of news accusing Pacman fighting at the catchweight. Mosley and Marquez should not be a hard fight to negotiate since Mosley is part owner of the Golden Boy promotion. Why not prove himself again in the higher weights if he really wants to fight Pacman? Pacquiao was dangerously dehydrating himself every time he fights at the lower weights. Mosley is right, that Pacman is a true junior welterweight or welterweight. He just found his right weight division to fight around, the same way Mosley and Floyd are comfortably fighting in welterweights. The only difference is that Pacman is brave enough to venture to fight higher weight champions or former champions. Before you Mexicans and Black people say a single word to discredit Pacman, challenge first your Mexican and sleek black boxers to fight higher weights and win convincingly, even just the top 5 fighters of junior middleweight or middleweight.

[al-Xander]

Thank you...I'm still trying to figure out why people are hyping this fight. Marquez would get battered by Manny at this point.

That's exactly the point. Lol.
You just made my day, man!

[pactardsowhat]

Pacquiao the greatest boxer; Marquez the greatest whiner

You pachaters, African American and Latinos boxing fans read this so that you'll learn before you hate:

Why Pacman is an All-Time Great and a Once-in-a-Generation Phenomenon
Sunday, November 28, 2010

By Bert Perez

What’s wrong if Manny Pacquiao declined a THIRD fight with Juan Manuel Marquez?

Even Julio Cesar Chavez declined a rematch with Pernell Whitaker, the same with Tito Trinidad to Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard “B-hop” Hopkins to Trinidad, Floyd Mayweather to Oscar, Sugar Ray Leonard to Marvin Hagler, Muhammad Ali to George Foreman, Joe Calzaghe to B-hop and so on…

Oscar avoided Antonio Margarito, Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright. Floyd Mayweather rejected an $8 million fight with Margarito and even against Miguel Cotto both of which Pacquiao annihilated.

We know that Marquez gave Pacquiao a hard time but don’t you forget that Pacquiao should have been awarded the title in their first bout because the judge who scored it a draw admitted afterward that he made a mistake. And Marquez was the one to turn down an immediate rematch with Pacquiao, not the other way around as many people believed. A prime Marquez instead fought and was defeated by Chris John in Indonesia.

Even “The Greatest” Muhammad Ali had a hard time with Ken Norton in their 2 fights, which many believed the latter had won both times. Does that make Norton the greatest? Of course not.

What’s wrong with Pacquiao’s winning a vacant title?

Even the Mexican legends won at least one vacant title in their careers like Marquez defeated Manuel Medina for the vacant IBF Feather title, Marco Antonio Barrera defeated Richie Wenton for the vacant WBO Super-bantam title then defeated Luiz Freitas for the vacant WBA Super-bantam title, Erik Morales defeated Paulie Ayala for WBC’s vacant Feather title, Oscar De La Hoya defeated Jorge Paez for the vacant WBO Lightweight title then defeated Derrell Coley for the vacant IBA Welter title, Julio Cesar Chávez won his first championship against Mario Martinez for the vacant WBC Super-feather title and how many more greats fought for a vacant title?

Even Chavez, Roy Jones Jr and B-hop fought for and won a vacant title as their first.

What’s wrong with Manny Pacquiao’s title wins with a catch-weight?

Of all Pacman’s fights, only 2 have been catch-weights. The title fights vs Cotto at 145 for the 147 title and vs Margarito at 150 for the 154 title. Oscar asked Pacman to jump 2 divisions to fight him in their non-title Welterweight bout the same way Floyd asked Marquez in their non-title Welter bout. There should be no problem with catch-weight if both parties agreed. So what’s the fuss with Pacquiao?

Paul Williams asked a catch-weight of 158 and yet got KOd by Sergio Martinez for the 160 title. Even the great Sugar Ray Leonard did it twice, defeating Donny Lalonde at 168 for the 168 & 175 titles and defeating Thomas Hearns at 164 for the 168 title, the middleweight title rematch of Jermain Taylor vs Kelly Pavlik was fought at 166, Trinidad-Jones at 171 for the 175 non-title bout and Oscar vs B-hop at 158 for the 160 title where many thought Oscar was too small for the middleweight class. If that’s the case for a 5ft9in Oscar, how much more for a smaller man like Pacquiao against middleweights Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams?

Do these catch-weights affect Leonard’s or Floyd’s or Oscar’s greatness? NO. So it shouldn’t affect Pacquiao’s greatness. Many boxers are willing to fight in catch-weights to fight the best, for big money so don’t just blame Manny Pacquiao for it.

Pacquiao won’t fight Martinez or Paul Williams?

Oscar himself, a 5 foot 9 natural welterweight, realized after his defeat from B-hop that he’s too small to be a middleweight and even Shane Mosley, a natural welter, won’t dare venture to middleweight because of the same belief. So why Pacquiao, a natural super-lightweight, is a lesser fighter if he opted not to fight any middleweights or if he fight with a catch-weight? Even Martinez himself thought Pacquiao is too small for him.

When Pacquiao fights Andre Berto and if he wins, will you say “Berto didn’t have enough experience to compete with Pacquiao.”? Or when he fights Floyd Mayweather and if he dominates him, will you say “Floyd has been inactive for too long.”? Or when he fights Marquez and if he beats him, will you say “144 was too heavy for Marquez”?

All of this has been an afterthought. Since the first Barrera fight up to now, many people picked the other guy one way or the other because of their size advantage against Pacquiao and ending up disappointed many times over, including you (the doubters).

And then the excuses come in. How many fighters have you seen fight bigger current or former champions even with or without a catch-weight and beat them up in such a fashion? And how many fighters have you seen show mercy to his beaten opponent the way Pacquiao did against Margarito?

I really want Pacquiao to fight Floyd or Berto to get his 5th Lineal title as Ring’s Welterweight Champion in a box-off between no1 vs no2 or no1 vs no3 fighters of the division. Or a third fight with the “WHINER” Juan Manuel Marquez.

It’s true that Pacman’s era is not yet over not because Pacman, Floyd and Martinez haven’t fought yet but because Pacman’s still fighting. Nonetheless, Pacquiao’s legacy is sealed.

For all of Pacman’s success and all the multi-division titlists in history, it’s not unusual. Maybe it’s unusual because Pacquiao is Asian.

I don’t care how you doubters or haters rank Manny Pacquiao, I don’t believe he’s the GOAT, either. It’s Sugar Ray Robinson.

All I can say is Pacquiao’s an All-Time Great and a Once-in-a-Generation Phenomenon.

Thank you.

[KingVick]

viva marquez!!!

[gopi11]

Wasn't this EXACTLY what was said b4 their previous fight?

You know what would be the big difference now? Pacquiao use to drain himself on his superfeatherweight fights. He'll weigh 128 up to 129 1/2 lbs. on the day of the weigh-in, and he will be 144 or more pounds on fight night, just like what Margarito did recently. Marquez survived Pac's heavy bombs and managed to hurt Pacquiao more than a couple of times as well. This time around, Pacquiao will just shrug Marquez' counter punches off like it was his breakfast, and Marquez will stay down if he gets hit with Pacquiao's power punches....

[Team Vitaminas]

It's sad ,that a smaller fighter basically has to call your mom a slut and you dad a pussy ,maybe even spit in your face just to get a fight.what has this sport come to.

[rommel357]

I would like to see a Trilogy but at the same weight that JMM fought Floyd.