I Asked A Legitimate Question

[daggum]

How is it a duck?

When Arum said Floyd would have taken the fight but he couldn't agree with Floyd's reasonable demands against Hatton,Cotto and Oscar,

The same Arum which owed Floyd money for the Judah fight,

So at the end, of 2006, Floyd fought a guy who had beaten Judah and Gatti and had the ring title and WBC Title in his hands. While Margarito had the WB"WHO" title and Cintron being his best win

reasonable demands? if he wanted that career high payday why not just take the margarito fight? instead he demands a bunch of other fights at totally unreasonable prices. his career high payday was 5 million at the time and he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto who was still at 140. if you need further proof why didnt he fight cotto when he moved up to 147 and would have made him much more than 10 million? he retired.

[The Evil 1-2]

reasonable demands? if he wanted that career high payday why not just take the margarito fight? instead he demands a bunch of other fights at totally unreasonable prices. his career high payday was 5 million at the time and he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto who was still at 140. if you need further proof why didnt he fight cotto when he moved up to 147 and would have made him much more than 10 million? he retired.

"Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya."- Dan Rafael

[Flawless*]

reasonable demands? if he wanted that career high payday why not just take the margarito fight? instead he demands a bunch of other fights at totally unreasonable prices. his career high payday was 5 million at the time and he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto who was still at 140. if you need further proof why didnt he fight cotto when he moved up to 147 and would have made him much more than 10 million? he retired.

How was it unreasonable?

Look at the amount of money he made for fighting Hatton and Oscar, if anything it was Arum was being unreasonable. Didn't want Floyd to fight Oscar because of the grudge he had towards Oscar

Of course, he wanted to fight Cotto, while Floyd was at 140, Arum said no to the Cotto fight, while at 147, Floyd wanted Cotto. Cotto was struggling to make 140 and everyone knew that, his eventual 147 debut was no surprise,

Floyd retired due to body issues and he came back and fought Mosley. The same guy everyone said he was ducking forever,

[rollycortez]

Mayweather should keep dodging Pacquiao

For Mayweather, ducking Manny Pacquiao has never seemed so smart.

If Mayweather has any brains – and for all his fool’s antics, he most certainly does – he’ll keep dodging the superfight the world wants.

All the motivation he needs is to look at those busted-up cheeks of Antonio Margarito.

Pac-Man (52-3-2) won a unanimous decision Saturday here at Cowboys Stadium over a courageous but clearly outclassed Margarito. He won a title in his eighth weight class even though he didn’t bother to even get close to the contracted 150-pound weight limit. He officially weighed 144.6 and entered the ring at 148. Margarito was bulked up to 165 and the hour leading up to the fight had Pacquiao’s team accusing him of trying to take illegal stimulants.

Margarito may as well have snorted the 50-yard line. Nothing can stop Pacquiao and deep down Mayweather has to know that includes him. Step into the ring with Pac-Man these days and you leave a swollen mess (Miguel Cotto, Oscar De La Hoya, Margarito).

“I promote both Antonio and Miguel Cotto,” said Bob Arum of Top Rank Boxing. “Both of them got an ass-whipping from Manny. I ran out of my own guys. He’s beat all my guys.”

Mayweather (41-0) is a different class of fighter than those men. He’s a darting, defensive wizard who would offer the most formidable technical challenge to Pacquiao. It’s why everyone wants to see the fight made.

At this point, though, Pacquiao has separated himself and each hellacious beating he hands out serves as a new round of caution. Pacquiao isn’t just fast. He isn’t just skilled. He is a destructive force. And increasingly he’s shown to possess a formidable chin. If Pacquiao can put his back on the ropes and take the best shots of Margarito and Cotto, you wonder how the lighter-punching Mayweather could possibly hurt him.

“I can’t believe I beat someone this big and this strong,” Pacquiao said.

Pacquiao’s winning wasn’t a surprise (he was more than a three-to-one favorite). Margarito’s face being turned into a mangled mess as some fans screamed from ringside for the fight to be called was. Why the ref and ringside doctor allowed it to continue remains a mystery. Pacquiao disabled Margarito’s reach, height and strength advantage with barrage after barrage of swift, precise combinations. It was equal parts brilliant and brutal.


Manny Pacquiao's beatdown of Antonio Margarito was as brutal as it was impressive.
(Chris Farina/Top Rank photo)
“My opponent looked bad and I wanted the ref to stop,” Pacquiao said. “I didn’t want to damage him permanently. That is not what boxing is about.”

Margarito refused to quit – “I’m a Mexican and we fight to the end,” he said. His corner said they couldn’t throw in the towel on such a warrior. It was all so foolish; their fighter caught two or three extra rounds of savage punches.

“He has the worst corner,” said Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach. “It probably ruined his career by not stopping the fight.… He might never fight again. He took too many unnecessary punches.”

That’s the danger of stepping into the ring with this guy. He’s not just winning fights; he’s altering, if not ending, careers.

Mayweather has found a hundred ways to avoid Pacquiao and increasingly it all makes sense. He was right to demand strict drug testing. But as the Pacquiao camp moved significantly on that issue and agreed to a reasonable timetable, Mayweather ran out of viable excuses. His mouth has run too long and too hard to reverse course now. So instead we keep getting delays and excuses and self-destructive behavior.

“After this great performance, Mayweather needs to put up or shut up or move out of the country,” Roach said. “Face it, Manny’s way above him at this point. I remember when [Mayweather] was ducking Margarito. If he doesn’t fight Manny now we know this guy should retire.”

Both Arum and HBO’s Ross Greenburg said they’d reach out to the Mayweather camp again this week but why would this time be any different? The pile of money – maybe $100 million plus – remains on the table, but now both Mayweather and his trainer/uncle Roger are dealing with significant legal issues in separate domestic violence incidents.
Mayweather should keep dodging Pacquiao
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/box/news;...-pacfloyd11410


“We wouldn’t want to be blindsided by something like a trial,” Arum noted.

Legal woes should serve as one more roadblock that Mayweather can use. If you’re Floyd Jr., what’s the rush anyway? How many opponents need to be sent to the hospital to try to avoid being the next one?

Mayweather has never faced a relentless force like this. They just don’t exist. Pacquiao threw an astounding 713 power punches and landed an equally astounding 53 percent of them. It’s what carved Margarito’s face to bits.

It was ugly. It was violent. It was an unmistakable message to the one opponent everyone wants to see next.

No one dodges a punch like Mayweather. And the best way to slip Pacquiao’s blinding combination is to keep finding a way to stay out of the ring.

[boxer2k5]

Hard to measure but one thing's for sure... Foyd did not fought a bigger 17 lbs opponent at a height and reach handicapped and yet, brutally rearranged his opponent's face. The Cotto and Tony fights are undeniably more exciting.

Just my 2 cents.

floyd dont need to hit someone 400 times in 12 rounds to win.
if my 7 year old cousin punches you in the face 400 times your face is going
to look raw hamburger meat. margirito is a sitting duck who was able to hit manny pretty much when he threw a punch but was overwhelmed because he is slow as downloading a blu ray using a 14k modem.

if floyd fought someone and punched them 400 times in the face im pretty sure they would look messed up as well. hats off to manny but they have different styles and will produce different results. but in the end of their fights floyd is the one with no bruises or scratches or anything.

[boxer2k5]

now i think about it a margirito vs boldomir fight back in 05 would have been fun.

[The Evil 1-2]

How was it unreasonable?

Look at the amount of money he made for fighting Hatton and Oscar, if anything it was Arum was being unreasonable. Didn't want Floyd to fight Oscar because of the grudge he had towards Oscar

Of course, he wanted to fight Cotto, while Floyd was at 140, Arum said no to the Cotto fight, while at 147, Floyd wanted Cotto. Cotto was struggling to make 140 and everyone knew that, his eventual 147 debut was no surprise,

Floyd retired due to body issues and he came back and fought Mosley. The same guy everyone said he was ducking forever,

To add on, there were also negotiations that Floyd was taking at this time to fight Cory Spinks at 154.

*http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=5093

[Chups]

some people could argue about the lineal title factor


man, i bet you its that punk ass Mod that thinks he owns boxingscene




when good ole p4p makes a thread it gets deleted right away...but yet we have ******ed dumb****s like carlos slim and his alts making up bait threads and they stay on


WTF

You got that fucking right Pound. He deleted my funniest and one of my longest threads ever. What a douchebag.

[boxer2k5]

you keep getting the time line wrong over and over. that article is dated april 2006. he didn't fight baldomir till november. like i already pointed out the margarito career high payday was offered in april. floyd turned it down. then the baldomir offer of 8 million and 1 dollar was made much later. the baldomir fight wasn't signed till august. at the time he turned down margarito floyd couldn't possibly know he would get 8 million for fighting that bum baldomir. how can you not see this is a duck?

but when floyd signed to fight judah they was talking **** how he didnt fight boldimir and how he was ducking the champion. noone was saying **** about margirito until bob arum said floyd was ducking him. floyd cant fight 2 people at once. on one hand you go and fight the real champion who everyone was saying your ducking because you fought judah instead or you fight margirito who bob arum of course wanted floyd to fight because he was his best welter at the time and could made alot of money. arum gets no money from floyd vs boldimir. and arum couldnt get floyd more money vs oscar and hatton.


you telling me beating the champion and previous champion then going on to break records with oscar is bad because he didnt fight who at the time margirito lol. please
its a reason why you guys aint in boxing or dealing with boxers because its obv you dont know what the hell yall talking about.

[boxer2k5]

reasonable demands? if he wanted that career high payday why not just take the margarito fight? instead he demands a bunch of other fights at totally unreasonable prices. his career high payday was 5 million at the time and he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto who was still at 140. if you need further proof why didnt he fight cotto when he moved up to 147 and would have made him much more than 10 million? he retired.

but he got the career high pay day with more money against boldimir. and he didnt take margirito because of the options that lay after that fight. even bob arum said it.