If Tony beats Pac, will it damage his standing a top 5 ATG?

[HaglerSteelChin]

Is this HaglerGlassChin joker actually implying that Alexander The Great's army would stand a chance vs Saddam's modern weaponry?





What a fool.

I pose it the other way around, do you think Saddam Hussien who got knocked out in 30 days by the US Military during Desert Storm a greater leader than Alexander the Great? How do you define greatness?

[Jack Napier]

screw all that ATG talk
this is just a special treat for the fans
we will enjoy a great fight, worry about history later

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

you make great points but ppl will still debate you on merits regardless of how obvious your case is.

only the bold part won't be disputed since by comparing times, you know for a fact that usain murks jesse.

because the people making the list are all from the old guard hence they want to preserve their history.

They dont want anybody forgetting about their sporting heroes. Just the other day, i had a argument with dave rado about jesse owens vs usain bolt, i said take prime bold & take prime jesse owens, put them in a track, & who wins?

rado tries to say well if jesse had usain's training & modern method he would win, well he doesnt. that's what we are arguing here. You cant have it both ways. that's why the people arguing for modern athletes, they have the knowledge & resources that the old timers did.

old guard wants to have it both ways.

Athletic Evolution.

70s & up athletes are superior to athletes before them.

[brick wall]

leave the atg rankings to the experts and stick to what you can do best...internet gangstah.

[PEBBLES!]

LOL you still harping over the Red K over your ignorance on the Lopez fight. I never go into profanities or insults unless thrown at me, you threw the C word, that is not discussion but insults. To call me out for name calling, is like the pot calling the kettle black.

THere is nothing here about owning, put this up at any discussion board and see how the argument holds up?

That whole Harry Greb is overrated or we never saw his film was already beaten to a dead horse over in the history section, do a search function. People can respect opinions without inflamattory stuff.

I do apologize about the mum incident. If you like incess and doing role reversal with your mum that is your problem.

You sent me red k first, and I was merely returning the favour. Seems like someone is a little butt-hurt.

Get over it, it's only red k, sook.


I've had several previous discussions about this issue before, in the history section as well.

I judge greatness by a number of criteria, one of them being boxing skills, which cannot be truly measured without fight-footage.


Greb has one of the finest, if not, the finest resume I have ever seen and a fighter who was able to give Tunney the only loss of his career must've been truly great.


Hurling invective such as "****" or "****head" is one thing but to stoop as low to involve family members is classless.


Shame on you.


No need to be a smartass, too. You have exposed your true colours and this shall be held against you in future discussions.

You have displayed a lack of ability to dissect an argument and you completely failed in this thread.

Once again, you lose.

[Jack Napier]

You sent me red k first, and I was merely returning the favour. Seems like someone is a little butt-hurt.

Get over it, it's only red k, sook.


I've had several previous discussion about this issue before, in the history section as well.

I judge greatness by many criteria, one of them being boxing skills, which cannot be truly measured without fight-footage.


Greb has one of the finest, if not, the finest resumes I have ever seen and a fighter who was able to give Tunney the only loss of his career must've been truly great.


Hurling invective such as "****" or "****head" is one thing but to stoop as low to involve family members is classless.


Shame on you.


No need to be a smartass, too. You have exposed your true colours and this shall be held against you in future discussions.

You have displayed a lack of ability to dissect an argument and you completely failed in this thread.

Once again, you lose.

Stony, are you MIB's little brother?

[Blooper]

because the people making the list are all from the old guard hence they want to preserve their history.

They dont want anybody forgetting about their sporting heroes. Just the other day, i had a argument with dave rado about jesse owens vs usain bolt, i said take prime bold & take prime jesse owens, put them in a track, & who wins?

rado tries to say well if jesse had usain's training & modern method he would win, well he doesnt. that's what we are arguing here. You cant have it both ways. that's why the people arguing for modern athletes, they have the knowledge & resources that the old timers did.

old guard wants to have it both ways.

Athletic Evolution.

70s & up athletes are superior to athletes before them.

how could one argue jesse over usain?

it's simple.

just compare times and you got your answer.

whether 1 guy had better training and nutrition or not shouldn't be debated.

[HaglerSteelChin]

,

All the great players from every sport across the board, have come from recent times.

You think Sugar Ray Robinson of 50 years ago stands a chance against modern WW champions and MW champions recently? Do you think former WBA HW champion Bruce Seldon or even the Klitschkos beat a Foreman of 1970 or even the Ali who danced circles around Cleveland Williams?

Does impact and influence have importance in determining greatness? Do you go by resume or techinical skill? Many people have said the Beatles suck because they only played often only 3 chords, does that mean that Rush is better than the Beatles since their technically leaps and bounds superior to them. Or are the Beatles rated high due to their influence and song writing oppose to their skill?

Greatness is subjective. Ranking fighters from different eras needs a complete analysis, not just simply the monolothic approach he would beat him so that means he is greater.

Using your theory Sandy Saddler is superior to Willie Pep, he beat him three out of 4 times, yet WTF ranks Saddler higher than Pep?

[Blooper]

You think Sugar Ray Robinson of 50 years ago stands a chance against modern WW champions and MW champions recently? Do you think former WBA HW champion Bruce Seldon or even the Klitschkos beat a Foreman of 1970 or even the Ali who danced circles around Cleveland Williams?

Does impact and influence have importance in determining greatness? Do you go by resume or techinical skill? Many people have said the Beatles suck because they only played often only 3 chords, does that mean that Rush is better than the Beatles since their technically leaps and bounds superior to them. Or are the Beatles rated high due to their influence and song writing oppose to their skill?

Greatness is subjective. Ranking fighters from different eras needs a complete analysis, not just simply the monolothic approach he would beat him so that means he is greater.

Using your theory Sandy Saddler is superior to Willie Pep, he beat him three out of 4 times, yet WTF ranks Saddler higher than Pep?

there's really no way to resolve boxing atg comparisons.

there just isn't.

[HaglerSteelChin]

You sent me red k first, and I was merely returning the favour. Seems like someone is a little butt-hurt.

Get over it, it's only red k, sook.


I've had several previous discussions about this issue before, in the history section as well.

I judge greatness by a number of criteria, one of them being boxing skills, which cannot be truly measured without fight-footage.


Greb has one of the finest, if not, the finest resume I have ever seen and a fighter who was able to give Tunney the only loss of his career must've been truly great.


Hurling invective such as "****" or "****head" is one thing but to stoop as low to involve family members is classless.


Shame on you.


No need to be a smartass, too. You have exposed your true colours and this shall be held against you in future discussions.

You have displayed a lack of ability to dissect an argument and you completely failed in this thread.

Once again, you lose.

What have i lost??? Just wondering? Put this debate over the history section and put a poll on it or do you make your own evaluations.

THis is just a boxing forum in an internet site, with an open discussion. Failure is a word you seem to throw alot, perhaps that is a word that personofies your personal life. I am sorry mate that you need to resort to throwing these fake moral victories about you lose and failed or whatever. Seems you have some serious issues that you are reduced to calling people a failure and loser, perhaps you need to take a good look in the mirror and judge your own life and see where it is going?