Audley Harrison: "Haye Was Not Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion"

[Spray_resistant]

I always considered Cunningham #1.

Beating Mormeck (who had already been knocked out by Bell) and Maccarinelli (who has turned out to be a bum) only fooled those who didn't know better.

Having the most belts doesn't make you the best if you didn't fight the best fighters to get them.

I don't really like Haye but honestly at CW would favor him to knockout the questionably chinned Cunningham.

[Hitman932]

The only reason Steve Cunningham had a belt was because they stripped Jean Marc Mormeck of that belt.

Actually they stripped O'Neil Bell, he was the one that won the fight.

And if you had any idea what you were talking about (which you obviously don't) you would know that Bell was supposed to face his mandatory Cunningham after the Mormeck win. The fight was scheduled, and Oneill Bell pulled out of the Cunningham fight with "a toothache".

He was then rightfully stripped and signed a much easier fight... a completely unnecessary rematch with Mormeck.

So you see if O'Neill Bell hadn't ducked Cunningham David Haye would have never gotten his hands on the lineage.

Next time try to know what youre talking about before you but in with bull**** like that.

[The Hammer]

But the fact is he didnt.

The IBF title was stripped. You know this.

It was stripped from Bell, not Mormeck.

Mormeck never had the IBF title, Bell did. He fought Bell for it in their first fight, a unification fight for three titles, but was KOed in round 10:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1035908

Then, the IBF champion Bell was stripped of the title some months later.

Later, after a warm-up fight, Mormeck had a rematch with Bell and won a UD, and so won back the WBC and WBA titles.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Actually they stripped O'Neil Bell, he was the one that won the fight.

And if you had any idea what you were talking about (which you obviously don't) you would know that Bell was supposed to face his mandatory Cunningham after the Mormeck win. The fight was scheduled, and Oneill Bell pulled out of the Cunningham fight with "a toothache".

He was then rightfully stripped and signed a much easier fight... a completely unnecessary rematch with Mormeck.

So you see if O'Neill Bell hadn't ducked Cunningham David Haye would have never gotten his hands on the lineage.

Next time try to know what youre talking about before you but in with bull**** like that.

Doesnt change my argument in the slightest. The champion never lost his belt in the ring.

LOL@ "unnecesary rematch". The Mormeck-Bell fight was one of the fights of the year.

Good try though.

[Hitman932]

It was stripped from Bell, not Mormeck.

Mormeck never had the IBF title, Bell did. He fought Bell for it in their first fight, a unification fight for three titles, but was KOed:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1035908

Then, the IBF champion Bell was stripped of the title some months later.

Later, after a warm-up fight, Mormeck had a rematch with Bell and won a UD, and so won back the WBC and WBA titles.

Not only was it stripped from Bell but it was specifically stripped because he ducked Cunningham.

They were scheduled to fight and Bell pulled out with a toothache (fear).

If Bell hadn't been a ***** and ran from Cunningham, and then lost the titles to Mormeck in a pathetic rematch of washed up fighters, Haye would have never been able to call himself a real champion without facing Cunningham.

[Hitman932]

Doesnt change my argument in the slightest. The champion never lost his belt in the ring.

LOL@ "unnecesary rematch". The Mormeck-Bell fight was one of the fights of the year.

Good try though.

The only LOL is you thinking the IBF stripped the guy who lost the fight.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The only LOL is you thinking the IBF stripped the guy who lost the fight.

I dont care who they stripped. Cunningham never won the IBF belt from the champion. You have not countered my argument. Sorry.

Valiant effort though.

[Spray_resistant]

I dont care who they stripped. Cunningham never won the IBF belt from the champion. You have not countered my argument. Sorry.

Valiant effort though.

It doesn't change the fact that Haye wasn't undisputed champion.

I also don't see you can hold it against Cunningham, they stripped Bell and vacated the title what do you want Steve to do?

[The Hammer]

You can make a better argument that Wlad is the real WBA heavyweight champion.

Chagaev didn't duck his mandatory, Valuev who he had already beaten ducked him.

Then Wlad dominated Ruslan and handed him his first career loss.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It doesn't change the fact that Haye wasn't undisputed champion.

I also don't see you can hold it against Cunningham, they stripped Bell and vacated the title what do you want Steve to do?

I dont hold it against Cunningham but that was Haye's belt. Plain and simple.