Comments Thread For: CompuBox Stats: Pacquiao Output Grew, as He Moved Up

[Left Hook Tua]

Who'd of thought a malnourished 16 year old kid would throw less punches than a 30 year old man with world class trainers/nutritionists at their disposal

has nothing to do with that.

he would get hit more in the lower weight classes.

when no one is hitting him pac just keeps throwing.

since moving up to 135......diaz couldn't touch him , oscar couldn't touch him , hatton couldn't touch him , cotto could only go 4-5 rounds with him , clottey didn't throw anything.

simple really.

[madsweeney]

has nothing to do with that.

he would get hit more in the lower weight classes.

when no one is hitting him pac just keeps throwing.

since moving up to 135......diaz couldn't touch him , oscar couldn't touch him , hatton couldn't touch him , cotto could only go 4-5 rounds with him , clottey didn't throw anything.

simple really.

Prolly true, youth makes up for the $$. Seriously though, only the Clottey fight was there any significant increase in punch rate, and hell almost all of them were all jabs

[Left Hook Tua]

Prolly true, youth makes up for the $$. Seriously though, only the Clottey fight was there any significant increase in punch rate, and hell almost all of them were all jabs

people see what they want to see.

clottey didn't do anything and pac just teed off on him. of course he'll put up monster numbers.

if fat david tua can throw 800-900 punches in 12 rounds , manny pacquiao can throw 8,000.

[champ_kw]

The clottey fight is really the only factor making this an issue at all... Clottey was in a shell for 90% of the fight if not more.. What do you expect pac to do?

Take out the clottey fight and its back to Pac's norm...

Unless your school taught you how to do percentages differently, I'm gonna call BS on this post. To find out how many punches per round he's throwing you have to take the total amount of punches he's thrown divided by the total rounds he's fought. Your post makes it even more ridiculous because that Clottey fight you want to "take out" is his only 12 rd fight. At that weight. Hell the Hatton fight lasted 2 rds! But here's the cool part about facts, whoever did these numbers didn't have to omit certain fights to make his numbers seem "normal". So that 1,000 punch sparring match and the quick 2 rd massacre got the same just due in these numbers and he's still throwing double digits more than the average welterweight. Be a fan of boxing and not boxers. You don't have to suspend common sense on every Pac issue.

[Pullcounter]

nobody even talked about PEDs until wifebeater sr (is he dead yet?) opened his mouth. the PEDs is a red herrring used by wifebeater sr so his son could duck pac.

the increase in punch output can be attributed to

-better nutrition and conditioning by ariza
-becoming a 2 handed fighter
-not getting as much return fire from larger slower opponents

[ChopperRead]

You do know Vitaly was a juicer?!? Right?!?

As an amateur. What's that got to do with the PED-man?

[jaestix1]

i think pacroid has been on the juice since david diaz....

[sL0]

The increase isn't the real issue here. He hovered around the weight limits average for the bulk of his career. The real issue is how he jumps from hovering around the average to, at his highest weight, out performaning the average by 22 FREAKING punches a round. That's not a issue of finding your other hand and throwing it an extra 22 times. Be honest with yourselves. This is like a homerun hitter hovering around 30-40 hr's a year and then at their oldest and heaviest weight start belting 70 hr's. I bet you fell in that group that said, "When he started he pulled the ball alot, now he's just starting to use the whole field." You guys are jokes.

One of the best and most sound responses I've heard. Well done.

[madsweeney]

Unless your school taught you how to do percentages differently, I'm gonna call BS on this post. To find out how many punches per round he's throwing you have to take the total amount of punches he's thrown divided by the total rounds he's fought. Your post makes it even more ridiculous because that Clottey fight you want to "take out" is his only 12 rd fight. At that weight. Hell the Hatton fight lasted 2 rds! But here's the cool part about facts, whoever did these numbers didn't have to omit certain fights to make his numbers seem "normal". So that 1,000 punch sparring match and the quick 2 rd massacre got the same just due in these numbers and he's still throwing double digits more than the average welterweight. Be a fan of boxing and not boxers. You don't have to suspend common sense on every Pac issue.

Statistics can be tweaked to fit your agenda, that's why blanket stats like this are bs. Yes he's throwing alot more than the average welterweight...in one of his fights. You want to normalize, you separate the extremes. Common sense would be too look at the fights individually, not lump them up into groups. Pac's had the least fights at 140-147, one fight skews the weight class averages more than the others.

This is bull****. Did he maintain his rate as he moved up, yes. Did he drastically increase that rate? No, with one exception, and exception that was made for strategy not just because he could.

[cnote111]

Statistics can be tweaked to fit your agenda, that's why blanket stats like this are bs. Yes he's throwing alot more than the average welterweight...in one of his fights. You want to normalize, you separate the extremes. Common sense would be too look at the fights individually, not lump them up into groups. Pac's had the least fights at 140-147, one fight skews the weight class averages more than the others.

This is bull****. Did he maintain his rate as he moved up, yes. Did he drastically increase that rate? No, with one exception, and exception that was made for strategy not just because he could.

Game - Set - Match!