EUROPEAN fighters good at ducking fights or do we blame their promoters?

[hectari]

If Ricky mattered over here, he'd make more money here than there.

Thats the truth. The ugly truth.

Exactly! i am tired of brits saying why does he need to go to USA! man if he was anything he would make money in a place like the USA! look at MANNY Pacquiao he came from a thrid world country but makes 10 million a year here in america and is more well known then ricky hatton around the world.

[Sliquestylez]

I'm tired of British idiots trying to make every excuses like their overhype piece of shiet fighter not to come fight in US and these British idiots and their overhype fighters want some respect. Phukk, come to America fight everybody the world has to offer and then get your respect. If they don't want to then phukk off.

[Dude]

A lot of people replying in this thread obviously don't know what they talk about. The USA are still the biggest market for boxing but others are growing as we speak (or write for that sake).

It's not by accident that fights like Wladimir Klitschko vs. Samuel Peter would actually make more money for both fighters if the fight was in Germany rather than Las Vegas.

Fighters like Dariusz Michalczewski fought everyone (except Roy Jones which is basicly a fault of both of them) in Europe and got more money than he'd have made in the USA.

It is within the interesst of the sport of boxing that there exist other (growing) markets beside the USA and it is quite ridiculous to deny that.

The thread is quite ****** as well because there've been fighters ducking other fighters from every country including the USA. And there are lots of European fighters who actually fought the best level of opposition they could.

[BLOODSHED]

I agree only because I dont think Calzaghe or the Klitschkos would be big here. I think there are xenophobic elements in our society. Thats the truth. People hated Lewis just because of his accent.

A lot of people replying in this thread obviously don't know what they talk about. The USA are still the biggest market for boxing but others are growing as we speak (or write for that sake).

It's not by accident that fights like Wladimir Klitschko vs. Samuel Peter would actually make more money for both fighters if the fight was in Germany rather than Las Vegas.

Fighters like Dariusz Michalczewski fought everyone (except Roy Jones which is basicly a fault of both of them) in Europe and got more money than he'd have made in the USA.

It is within the interesst of the sport of boxing that there exist other (growing) markets beside the USA and it is quite ridiculous to deny that.

The thread is quite ****** as well because there've been fighters ducking other fighters from every country including the USA. And there are lots of European fighters who actually fought the best level of opposition they could.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Bottom line is as follows:

The USA is the biggest market for boxing. The USA has the fighters that are the best, in general, from top to bottom. It is undeniable that most of the top boxers fight in the USA. Therefore, it is undeniably a pathetic case when a fighter who might have talent decides to toil in obscurity when they could show their talents in the U.S.

However, if you are a champion, the challenger should come where you are, or a neutral site. Hatton and Joe C. are champs, so they can stay where they are if they want. Even so, their names would be less obscure if they had some fights in the U.S.

Most fights in America struggle to fill 7,000 seats $30.00 per seat.

Most fights in England fail to sell a lot. It's the BIGGER fights that sell. Most boxers PERIOD don't sell a lot of seats. But, none of the top fighters here struggle to sell 7,000 seats. Not by any means. It's normal to sell 10-14 thousand seats in most cases for the upper level fighters.

[Dude]

Bottom line is as follows:

The USA is the biggest market for boxing. The USA has the fighters that are the best, in general, from top to bottom. It is undeniable that most of the top boxers fight in the USA. Therefore, it is undeniably a pathetic case when a fighter who might have talent decides to toil in obscurity when they could show their talents in the U.S.

However, if you are a champion, the challenger should come where you are, or a neutral site. Hatton and Joe C. are champs, so they can stay where they are if they want. Even so, their names would be less obscure if they had some fights in the U.S.



Most fights in England fail to sell a lot. It's the BIGGER fights that sell. Most boxers PERIOD don't sell a lot of seats. But, none of the top fighters here struggle to sell 7,000 seats. Not by any means. It's normal to sell 10-14 thousand seats in most cases for the upper level fighters.

No matter who's champ, the fight should be made where the money is. If you earn more by fighting in the USA you should fight there. If you get paid better in Germany you should fight there.

At the end of the day it's all about money and the european market can compete with the american in some (yet rare) cases.

If you give sth. about your reputation and are willing to take a risk and waste some bucks you SHOULD go to the USA because that's where the fame is. But seriously, tell me a professional fighter who thinks like that...

[BLOODSHED]

The Klitschkos! They were itching to come to America by their own admission. They even saved the coke can they first had Coca-Cola from. I saw them on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

It was hilarious, when they were speaking, some guy back staged yelled "Speak English Dammit!". The crowd was laughing but I dont think they heard the voice.

No matter who's champ, the fight should be made where the money is. If you earn more by fighting in the USA you should fight there. If you get paid better in Germany you should fight there.

At the end of the day it's all about money and the european market can compete with the american in some (yet rare) cases.

If you give sth. about your reputation and are willing to take a risk and waste some bucks you SHOULD go to the USA because that's where the fame is. But seriously, tell me a professional fighter who thinks like that...

[hectari]

No matter who's champ, the fight should be made where the money is. If you earn more by fighting in the USA you should fight there. If you get paid better in Germany you should fight there.

At the end of the day it's all about money and the european market can compete with the american in some (yet rare) cases.

If you give sth. about your reputation and are willing to take a risk and waste some bucks you SHOULD go to the USA because that's where the fame is. But seriously, tell me a professional fighter who thinks like that...

I must correct you. The European Boxing market is actually larger then the USA market not equal to. United states has about 300 million people and boxing is not even in the top 5 of americans favorite sports, yet in Europe boxing is in the Top 5! I believe your reason is right about making money! In europe they can make almost as much money without even being seen on pay per view! I know it is true that is how BIG their boxing market is in Europe! in america their is no such fighter who has never been seen on ppv that makes more then 1 million dollars. Ricky Hatton never ever been on an American ppv but is a superstar in england and makes more money then floyd mayweather jr who makes 2 million a fight american dollars.


But the reason why fighters want to come to america is because it is sorta a moderate ground! it is a melting pot and the favortism is pretty low compared to germany like sven ottke never left his area.

Look at Manny pacquiao
look at erik morales
Lennox Lewis

All from different areas but they are making a name for themselfs in a country they are not native too, that is trully a testament to their marketability.

[BLOODSHED]

Europe's(EU) GDP, buying power is not on par with the USA's income per person.

You're forgetting there are a lot of poor countries in Europe; Poland, Georgia, Russia, Albania, etc.

[hectari]

Intagibles

Listening in on the Klitschko brothers conference call earlier this week, I was struck by the caliber of Vitali’s English. Although perhaps not quite as strong as his brothers’, it has improved tremendously, even over the past six months while training for a fight. This shows me that Vitali wants not only to be a great boxer, but also a public figure that is embraced by American fight fans. This is also obvious in he and Wladimir’s performance on the Jimmy Kimmel Show recently. They both realize that, although American’s are not always the best fighters, the biggest and best fights almost always happen in America. Vitali’s ability to improve his spoken English shows not only his desire to become a star and a public figure, but also his confidence that it is his time to do so. He must truly believe that it is his destiny to become a star in boxing, or else he would not have supplemented his already rigorous boxing schedule with taking time to improve his English. Now, contrary to what you might be thinking, I didn’t choose this example to say why I think Vitali will be victorious; I chose it because I think it illustrates the confidence in himself and his abilities that he has consistently shown since his clash with Lennox Lewis. I think Vitali’s confidence will be further buoyed by the supporting cast in his corner between rounds of Roach, Sdunek, Souza, and his brother, Wladimir. I doubt Vitali will need to be urged to victory like Michael Moorer was years ago, but I think that those four men will certainly aid Vitali’s cause tremendously. In other words, I think factors in addition to his skill and strength will help Vitali a great deal in this fight.