Quote: "Manny Pacquiao is great. Marquez is just as great."

[War Dinamita]

That is not true at all. You can only really say that in maybe 3 divisions that Pac has particpated in. And, that is 130, 135, and 140.

That is it.....

And that's what I'm talking about.

You can also say the same thing about 147 and when he beats Margacheato at 154. He's not going to defend his titles against the best fighters at 147 and 154.

[jrosales13]

Please don't be so naive!

What makes you think DLH and Arum want to do business? Why would Arum do business with GBP when he can keep all the money in house? You do know that if Pac fights a GBP fighter, GBP becomes the main promoter for the fight and they keep all the financial books?

Arum had already promised Margacheato a fight with Manny at the beginning of the year way before they tried to make a fight with Floyd again.

No way they make JMM vs. Manny instead of Floyd vs. Manny.

No disrespect but I would take GBP Schafer word over yours. I just would....

Schafer said that after the first negotiations with Floyd fail throug Arum contacted them about having the third fight with JMM.

And, it was JMM who said that he wanted 50-50 and OST. Now, OST killed the Floyd ight. And, JMM as good as he is. Out priced himself out of a fight with Pac asking for 50/50. Again this Schafer own words not Arum. So you don't be so naive.

And, why did it take 4 years to happen?

Who turned down 6 figures and instead took 5 figures and flew to Indonesia?

Don't let your hate get the best of you carnal.

[jrosales13]

Yes, I'm 100% sure. Manny wants nothing to do with JMM and he's going to wait to for JMM to really decline before he thinks about fighting him again.

Then if you're really 100% sure then you do not know what you're talking about.

Is just that simple.

[jrosales13]

And that's what I'm talking about.

You can also say the same thing about 147 and when he beats Margacheato at 154. He's not going to defend his titles against the best fighters at 147 and 154.

Well then you're talking about nonsense. Since Pac did defend his titles in 4 divsions while JMM did in 3. Call me crazy but 4 is more than 3 right?

And, even at 147 he defended his title against the best available WW after the Floyd negotiations fail through.

So your ORIGINAL argument holds no water.

[War Dinamita]

No disrespect but I would take GBP Schafer word over yours. I just would....

Schafer said that after the first negotiations with Floyd fail throug Arum contacted them about having the third fight with JMM.

And, it was JMM who said that he wanted 50-50 and OST. Now, OST killed the Floyd ight. And, JMM as good as he is. Out priced himself out of a fight with Pac asking for 50/50. Again this Schafer own words not Arum. So you don't be so naive.

And, why did it take 4 years to happen?

Who turned down 6 figures and instead took 5 figures and flew to Indonesia?

Don't let your hate get the best of you carnal.

You really think Arum wants to share his profits with GBP instead of keeping all the money in house?

[paulf]

Please don't be so naive!

What makes you think DLH and Arum want to do business? Why would Arum do business with GBP when he can keep all the money in house? You do know that if Pac fights a GBP fighter, GBP becomes the main promoter for the fight and they keep all the financial books?

Arum had already promised Margacheato a fight with Manny at the beginning of the year way before they tried to make a fight with Floyd again.

No way they make JMM vs. Manny instead of Floyd vs. Manny.

....Thanks for backing me up?

Marquez said that the fight had to be 50/50 and Olympic style testing to fight Pac again, thus putting his name out of the running list of potential opponents to replace Floyd. Team pac wanted Marquez after Floyd fell through so Arum contact GBP about it. Once Marquez priced himself out, Arum was free to pull the Clottey card.

Sooooo blame Marquez for the fight not being made. Just sayin'.

[paulsinghnl]

No disrespect but I would take GBP Schafer word over yours. I just would....

Schafer said that after the first negotiations with Floyd fail throug Arum contacted them about having the third fight with JMM.

And, it was JMM who said that he wanted 50-50 and OST. Now, OST killed the Floyd ight. And, JMM as good as he is. Out priced himself out of a fight with Pac asking for 50/50. Again this Schafer own words not Arum. So you don't be so naive.

And, why did it take 4 years to happen?

Who turned down 6 figures and instead took 5 figures and flew to Indonesia?

Don't let your hate get the best of you carnal.

that's more because of the bad negotiating skills of Beristain than the willingness of Marquez to fight. like i said before, Beristain has messed up a lot of opportunities for Marquez.

[jrosales13]

You really think Arum wants to share his profits with GBP instead of keeping all the money in house?

Are you really trying to play dumb? Why would Schafer LIE and say that Top Rank asked him about a third fight with JMM and JMM asked for 50/50?

Are you just trolling or what?

[jrosales13]

that's more because of the bad negotiating skills of Beristain than the willingness of Marquez to fight. like i said before, Beristain has messed up a lot of opportunities for Marquez.

Oh bro most definitely and I agree 100%. I think personally JMM would of taken so many chances but because of Nacho out pricing JMM or demands screwed JMM over.

Nacho is a great trainer, horrible manager. However, JMM is the boss of the team and it falls on JMM you know what I am saying. Is not his doing but at the same time it is his fault because he is the boss. Just like is it falls on Pac when Arum and Roach try to give him a favorable match up. I think Pac is willing to fight anybody. However, Arum and Roach have other ideas. But, at the same time Pac is the boss so it falls on him.

[ModernTalking]

Yes, I'm 100% sure. Manny wants nothing to do with JMM and he's going to wait to for JMM to really decline before he thinks about fighting him again.

LOL...whatever flot your boat. You're talking as if they have never had a fight before and Manny is ducking Marquez. I hope you know that they have 2 fights already. If they are fighting right now it would only be to see if Marquez can win win a fight against Pac LOL.