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  • Dave Rado
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    #51
    Originally posted by LeadUppercut
    Yep I agree.

    But 2-3 days ago Amir stated that he will take the fight to Maidana, it was in response to Maidana's comment that Khan will run the whole fight.

    Personally, I would have lied. I would have done exactly what Khan did.
    I don't think he was lying. Obviously he wouldn't go toe to toe - Roach wouldn't let him, and if he did, he'd be knocked out. But I've heard that they've been working on fighting in the pocket. Many great defensive fighters fight in the pocket, including Mayweather and Toney, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Khan doing a bit of that for some of the fight.

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    • Dave Rado
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      #52
      Originally posted by LeadUppercut
      What Squizz said

      Khan needs to win this fight with his jab, he needs to establish the perimeter and control the fight from the outside, make Maidana miss, then make him pay, then get out.

      Conversely, Maidana should throw hell at Khan right from the first bell, just to unsettle him and throw him off his rhythm so he can't settle into the fight..... then use smart pressure to get to Khan's body.

      Maybe I am under-rating Maidana, or slightly over-rating Khan.....
      this could be a classic boxer/puncher scrap.
      I think you're under-rating Maidana's ability to pressure Khan. The only time Khan has come close to being tested by pressure was against Kotelnik, and while he won a wide UD, he wilted badly in the last two rounds, and if he'd been up against a puncher in those rounds, he'd have been knocked out. I think Maidana will apply at least as much pressure as Kotelnik did, and the body punches he lands will be a lot more hurtful and stamina-sapping than Kotelnik's body punches were.

      IMO, a lot depends on how much Khan's survival skills have improved under Roach. Can he take a breather when he needs to, now, by tying up or turning his opponent? Is he better at blocking body punches than he was against Kotelnik? Can he keep Maidana away with his jab and movement even when hurt? I'm pretty certain he will be hurt at some stage in this fight, and if he can recover, he'll win. If he can't, he won't.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Dave Rado
        I think you're under-rating Maidana's ability to pressure Khan. The only time Khan has come close to being tested by pressure was against Kotelnik, and while he won a wide UD, he wilted badly in the last two rounds, and if he'd been up against a puncher in those rounds, he'd have been knocked out. I think Maidana will apply at least as much pressure as Kotelnik did, and the body punches he lands will be a lot more hurtful and stamina-sapping than Kotelnik's body punches were.

        IMO, a lot depends on how much Khan's survival skills have improved under Roach. Can he take a breather when he needs to, now, by tying up or turning his opponent? Is he better at blocking body punches than he was against Kotelnik? Can he keep Maidana away with his jab and movement even when hurt? I'm pretty certain he will be hurt at some stage in this fight, and if he can recover, he'll win. If he can't, he won't.
        I agree, that is one of the key points in this matchup.

        But I also think that Amir's perceived glass jaw, or lack of punch resistence, could be a non-issue at 140, let's wait and see once Maidana touches him up.

        Khan has certainly improved under Freddie, and the fact that he moved up immediately tells me that Khan was likely killing himself to make LW.

        Unless Maidana can unsettle Khan, he could be in for a long hard night himself, and I would not be surprised to see him take a trip to the canvas at some stage during the fight either.

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          #54
          Originally posted by LeadUppercut
          But I also think that Amir's perceived glass jaw, or lack of punch resistence, could be a non-issue at 140, let's wait and see once Maidana touches him up.
          It's an overblown issue, not just because of the weight, but more because his fundamentals used to be so poor that he was a continuous accident waiting to happen, and Roach has improved his fundamentals to the point where he is not recognisably the same fighter.

          Originally posted by LeadUppercut
          Unless Maidana can unsettle Khan, he could be in for a long hard night himself, and I would not be surprised to see him take a trip to the canvas at some stage during the fight either.
          Yes, but as I've said before, that would be an extremely dangerous moment for Khan, if it happens.

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            #55
            I don't think Khan will be willing to sit down on punches enough to hurt Maidana and eventually Maidana will overwhelm him.

            I'm making the trip to Vegas just to bet on Maidana. This is a 50-50 fight, how Khan is approaching a 3-1 favorite boggles my mind.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Hitman932
              I don't think Khan will be willing to sit down on punches enough to hurt Maidana and eventually Maidana will overwhelm him.

              I'm making the trip to Vegas just to bet on Maidana. This is a 50-50 fight, how Khan is approaching a 3-1 favorite boggles my mind.
              It's because Khan is clearly a much more talented fighter, and he almost certainly will win at least a decision, unless Maidana can stop him.

              So the question is, can Maidana land flush enough to stop Khan, or has Khan a.) markedly improved his technique/defence b.) there is truth to the idea that Khan was drained at 135 c.) has the focus to stick to the job for 12 rounds, and the will to get up and dig deep if he gets caught.

              He most likely has those four things covered, but it's a funny old game, and Maidana could change the course of the fight with one punch.

              Who knows, maybe both Maidana and Margarito have more chance than I have been giving them..... Maidana certainly so more than Marg. For his one-punch power I mean, not coz I dont like Marg

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              • _original_
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                #57
                To say Maidana has 0 skills is ridiculous and ******.....I'm tired of people calling Marcos Maidana unskilled, the definition of "skills" in boxing lingo today has been casted as a one dimensional term.....you don't get as far as Maidana has with no skills, it might not be the prettiest style but there's still a science to his madness

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                • check hook
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by The Surgeon
                  Id make Khan and Ortiz favourites over the rest of the guys in the division, I know Ortiz punked out against Maidana but i think he would do a number on him in a rematch. Bradley is a real good fighter with a great attitude, Devon is good too but Tim should know to much for him. Khan is gonna pulverize Maidana and im thinking he stops him too.

                  The best fight in the division tho is Amir vs Ortiz and i think its tough one to call
                  Originally posted by The Surgeon
                  Ortiz is pushing for the rematch i believe.He DID punk out big and sounded like a grade A B*tch in the interview but He was winning the fight had Maidana on his back a few times too and clearly had the better skills. Maidana was at his best he has not improved, Victor will have learned from that fight and would most likely stick to boxing in a rematch, i know Campbell isnt the greatest 140 pounder in the world but he's still decent and Ortiz impressed me against him.

                  Khan is twice the fighter Maidana is but yeah if he gets tagged by a puncher that feirce he will probably "go", still im picking the much faster, sharper fighter with the better team behind him, the better skills and the pedigree to win.


                  I agree completely. Honestly most posters think the best at 140 is Alexander and Bradley. I think it is Ortiz and the winner of Maidana vs Khan.

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                  • check hook
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by _original_
                    To say Maidana has 0 skills is ridiculous and ******.....I'm tired of people calling Marcos Maidana unskilled, the definition of "skills" in boxing lingo today has been casted as a one dimensional term.....you don't get as far as Maidana has with no skills, it might not be the prettiest style but there's still a science to his madness


                    ^^^

                    also agree with this....he's not as skilled as the others, but there is underrated skill there.

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                    • Rome-By-Ko
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by check hook
                      I agree completely. Honestly most posters think the best at 140 is Alexander and Bradley. I think it is Ortiz and the winner of Maidana vs Khan.
                      How is it Ortiz??He has done nothing in his career for anyone to feel he is close to the num 1 or even a top 5 fighter..Know you can make an argument that Khan and Maidana are tied for 2end and this fight will put one clearly at second..But Bradley is the num 1 fighter in this div with Devon being 2end or 3rd in this div,Ortiz is way off and has done nothing to get him self even in the top 5 at this point...Boy oh boy is Ortiz overrated...

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