A Pacquiao win will not equate to 8 in 8... However...

[El Chicano]

It was at the SMW limit of 168 pounds. Absolutely ridiculous though and that was really the start of modern day title negotiation BS and star power negotiation for titles. It had always gone on but nothing like today. Ray Robinson was notorious to deal with, but Leonard really brought in the star power and contemporary advantages for himself, the lesser fighter having to give in to everything for the big fight. Sucks really.

LaLonde had always struggled with the weight even at LHW. They knew this and the rest is history. He became weak by the sixth round and tired. After hurting Leonard early, he was just too tired and his punches too weak to do anything. Great fight though. Now, Mayweather and Pacquiao are both the worst possible drama queens when it comes to negotiating and getting all the petty little advantages possible from weight, to money, ring size, gloves etc etc.

I thought the agreement was that Lalonde could not weigh over 167... either way, he weighed 167 at the weigh-in. And either way, it was ridiculous.

[ADP02]

there is another upcoming fight between 2 big guys (P.Williams vs Sergio Martinez) that is also at a catchweight. Funny how nobody cares much about that catchweight and the only discussions about that fight is ABOUT THAT FIGHT!!!

[El Chicano]

there is another upcoming fight between 2 big guys (P.Williams vs Sergio Martinez) that is also at a catchweight. Funny how nobody cares much about that catchweight and the only discussions about that fight is ABOUT THAT FIGHT!!!

That's a bull**** catchweight fight too. There's no reason why that fight can't happen at the full Middleweight limit. Paul is bigger than Sergio.

[Ryannn]

man, fuck these abc titles and their meaningless belts.

manny pac won the most number of lineal titles in history. that's what holds more weight.

[serv]

criticisms for catchweights are completely illegitimate & a moot point because of the 24 hr rehydration rule.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419542

sure, manny shouldnt get full credit & should be criticized for the catchweight & pac fans shouldnt brag about the 8th division title, but the 150 catchweight wont affect the outcome of this fight.

amen to that

[TOBYLEE1]

there is another upcoming fight between 2 big guys (P.Williams vs Sergio Martinez) that is also at a catchweight. Funny how nobody cares much about that catchweight and the only discussions about that fight is ABOUT THAT FIGHT!!!

Cause those two fighters the most effective fighting weight is at around 154, 160 they are very competitive but won't be as dominant as at 54 IMO.

Pac/Margo fight I don't see a problem till you add a Major title belt in the mix, that is when it becomes a problem cause of the catchweight and that either guy has not done anything significant at 54.

[shade darkar]

criticisms for catchweights are completely illegitimate & a moot point because of the 24 hr rehydration rule.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419542

sure, manny shouldnt get full credit & should be criticized for the catchweight & pac fans shouldnt brag about the 8th division title, but the 150 catchweight wont affect the outcome of this fight.

rubbish. just because you can rehydrate doesnt make up for the fact you have to lose more pounds than you should have to.

look at marg - 158lbs in the 24/7 series, now he has to lose 8lbs instead of only 4lbs. that makes a difference.

[Sweet Jesus]

Dzinziruk is Angulo's future Scooby snack.

Angulo has ducked Dzinziruk twice. That's a fact.

[tibbar]

rubbish. just because you can rehydrate doesnt make up for the fact you have to lose more pounds than you should have to.

look at marg - 158lbs in the 24/7 series, now he has to lose 8lbs instead of only 4lbs. that makes a difference.

and pacquiao is what, 138-139? he has to gain more lbs to catch up with margs weight on fight night that too will make a big difference since pacquiaos greater asset is his speed, he has to maintain his weight or it will go down, way down during training, even rehydration will not help him go up in a competitive weight to margs 160lbs. he may go to fight 145-47lbs, he will retain the speed
yes but the power...will it be enough? he may come in at 150 but the speed is the one that will be compromise. margs will be rehydrating to what 160? 165?
now tell me who among the two is more handicapped? you may say that is fairly even, well prolly thats the concept of catchweight, but at this instance whose advantage it is?

[jrosales13]

Neither one would be a legit title holder at 154.

Dzinziruk>any title holders.

And, Angulo was Dzinziruk mandotory and never took his shot. That now the WBO has removed him as a mandatory.