Was chavez better than paquiao at their prime!!

[AFighter4U]

What in the hell are you talking about? Chavez was still fighting when Pac was fighting for titles too. He stopped fighting at the same time Pac was fighting Barrera, Marquez, Morales etc.

Not exactly some huge difference in eras is it.

Toney fought nearly every month and was fighting every other month as a champion. A guy like Roberto Duran was still fighting as much as young prime champion fighters do when he was in his forties and fifties. He finished in fighting in the 00's too.

Chavez, Pac etc are basically from the same era with Chavez being in an earlier generation of it. They have fought at the same time, throughout the same years. When Pac was a young champion, Chavez was still fighting huge fights.

Maybe you missed something here, but during Chavez' time no one was fighting the amount of champions he was, no one had the same amount of title fights, no one had as many championship rounds and title fights.

That's why he's one of the greatest fighters ever. The amount of champions he fought in an era when most champions were picking and choosing is simply mind boggling.

That ridiculous and oft repeated mantra of those trying to look like they know something, when in fact they just don't, of Chavez and his 'taxi driver' resume is just foolish talk of ill informed, ignorant fan boys that don't know anything about other fighters apart from what they causally hear about the place. They'll talk of Lolo Ledwaba as a great fighter for Pac, and yet say that Chavez has nothing but Cab drivers? Please....there are about ten Ledwaba's on Chavez' resume among the HOFers and greater fighters and champions. That's what was so amazing about him. He fought more champions, more top, world rated title holders, than anyone else in the modern boxing era. Yes, he's a 'modern era' fighter, not an old school fighter from some long forgotten era.

Maybe you weren't watching boxing a few years ago, but he did only finish fighting about four/five years ago. Maybe that's the problem. Idiots like that guy talking about cab drivers obviously have only been watching boxing for about two months because they would remember all the big names he fought and also all the other names that were great champions of his day, which wasn't even that long ago....the Ledwaba's, the Margarito's, the Hatton's, the Larios' of his time.

People only remember the big names from his resume like Oscar, Whitaker, Tszyu, Rosario, Taylor etc because they don't know anything about boxing or because they are too young to remember any of them and don't care to learn. It's like in ten years when people will only remember Pac's opponents like Marquez, Barrera, Morales and Oscar. The rest will just become other guys he fought that aren't important even though today they are important because people have watched them fight and know them.

Pac and Chavez having a common opponent should tell you that some amazing difference in era does not really work in this instance. As I said before, Chavez fought more champions than Pac has had title fights, he had about the same number of title fights that Pac has knock outs, unified more divisions etc and it wasn't any difference in era that was the reason. He just did a hell of a lot more.

Whoah calm down! Just because i disagree with you, it doesn't mean you have to pop a blood vessel.

I for one agree with you that Chavez is indeed one of the greatest boxers in history, and acknowledge all his achievements that you pointed out.

But you do realize that Chavez was already boxing when Pac was just two years old right? Pac was just getting started when Chavez was already heading in the twilight of his career.

Boxing was a totally different world when Chavez started his career compared to that of Pac. True, Pac would NEVER achieve or even match many of Chavez accomplishments, but is that the ONLY gauge to greatness?

Cuz if it was, then Chavez would be #1 in the list of ATGs.

But he's not.

He's indeed one of the greatest, but not generally considered THE greatest.

Like i said previously, one CANNOT fairly judge fighters who (in this case) fought in different decades. There are just too many factors to consider.

And you also have the nostalgia factor. I'm sure that in 10, 20 years, people would then consider Pac an ATG and he would undoubtedly beat any current champion in a fantasy fight, just like our current ATGs tend to beat today's champions.

BUT if you still are not satisfied with my explanation, then that's cool. I have neither the inclination nor stamina to engage on a lengthy debate.

[chavezjrmexico]

With this said i guess is agreed that Chavez without a doubt and his record of fights 116 with 89 kos and his over 60 world class level fights (title defenses and world class fighters) almost two decades of boxing with a technique to envy the best of the best!!his calculation ,timing ,heavy handed and his beautiful liver punch; A complete boxer and puncher unlike Pacquaio who throws those wild punches he is more of quantity than quality!! IS BETTER IN ANY WAY WITHOUT CHEATS AND CATCH-WEIGHTS (DEHYDRATING HIS OPPONENTS), better technique, beautiful boxing,no enhancing performance drugs, more activity, CHAVEZ IS ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL with Ali,Robinson,Sugar Ray,Mike Tyson and yes MAYWEATHER JR!!!

[Jack Napier]

no :laugh:

[Great Afrikan]

You should probably do yourself a favour instead of spouting stuff that you've just heard other people say, and go learn something about him and his record.

Considering the amount of fights he had, the number of great champions he faced is mind blowing.

He's faced more champions than Pacquiao has had championship fights.

for the above reasons alone, i'm going with JC Superstar!

[straightleft]

Chavez sr is one of the great in boxing history and clever enough he stayed in weight classes where he excelled. Pac on the other hand achieved his greatness far more difficult in different way. Beating more champions in your division, let us say 112 is lot easier than moving up beating those champions at 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147. Pac by having 7 titles in 7 weight divisions he made history. Lets say after 50 years from now on and still nobody able to breaks his record people will start talking about how great he is specially from his humble beginning.

7 titles in 7 divisions
4 lineal titles in 4 divisions
from 106 up to 150
3 times FOTY & FOTD
its really tough to break those above and you just a hater if you try to discredit those feat near impossible to duplicate.

[chavezjrmexico]

Chavez is a real atg!!

Chavez sr is one of the great in boxing history and clever enough he stayed in weight classes where he excelled. Pac on the other hand achieved his greatness far more difficult in different way. Beating more champions in your division, let us say 112 is lot easier than moving up beating those champions at 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147. Pac by having 7 titles in 7 weight divisions he made history. Lets say after 50 years from now on and still nobody able to breaks his record people will start talking about how great he is specially from his humble beginning.

7 titles in 7 divisions
4 lineal titles in 4 divisions
from 106 up to 150
3 times FOTY & FOTD
its really tough to break those above and you just a hater if you try to discredit those feat near impossible to duplicate.

I would like to see Pac fighting 117 fights knocking 89 of his opponnets and being undefeated up to 92 fights , not DUCKING ANYONE OR HAVING EXCUSES WHY HE COULDN'T !! Oscar Dela hoya was in his last fights way out of his prime and also completely dehydrated(catch weight),Eric Morales in his first fight did even brake a sweat the second and third again dehydrated and also a catchweight , Marquez got robbed , Ricky Hatton was a bum , Barrera was a legit his style did not helped,Cotto was coming out of a crazy defeat from Margarito and also a catch weight,Cottley was not even fighting back, So yesLMAO CHAVEZ fought the best of the best in his class and going up to three division champ;Azabache Martinez, Danilo Cabrera, Edwin Rosario,Pernell Withaker, Frankie Randall,Camacho,De La hoya, Taylor,Kosta Tsyu, Ramirez, and 110 other fighters he fought!!! He fought beautiful and set the standards really high about technique and style !!!THE LIVER PUNCH MASTER!!!! Chavez is really an ATG!!!!!I COULD STILL HEAR THE CHANTING CHAVEZCHAVEZCHAVEZ CHAVEZ CHAVEZ CHAVEZCHAVEZ CHAVEZCHAVEZ CHAVEZ CHAVEZ!!

[bojangles1987]

I'm saying no. Pac has every athletic advantage over Chavez, and skillwise I would take him as well. Resume wise, Pac doesn't have the longevity but you can argue his wins over Chavez's.

[Ido]

Chavez was the man at 130-140. He only moved up in weight, when there was no else to fight. He was past his prime by the time he hit 147.

In their prime. Anytime between 130-140 I will give the nod to Chavez. 147-150 I will give it to Manny.

[Vegan101]

Consider that Chavez sr. had 117 with 89 kos record and was undefeated till he had 92 fights!! was a champ for over a decade and a p4p for 6 yrs in a row !!! how about finito lopez?

I heard that story when I was walking to my car in the parking lot of Home depot.

[DUnknown1]

you take out hoya, you take out morales , take out margarito and pac would still be 7 didvison , 4 lineal champion ,3 time foty, fighter of the decade......has chavez done any of those?

You are full of it... take pacs nuts out of your mouth pacard.

Chavez fought fighters at the limit weight.
Chavez Fought all opposition didn't cherry pick; even if it wasn't the smartest fight (sweet pea and Taylor).
Chavez Fought fighters that weren't coming off a devastating loss, as a matter a fact he would challenge fighters that had a streak especially against fellow countrymen, to prove himself.
Chavez did not impose any catchweights.
Chavez had the most title defenses.

Has Pac done any of these?


...(if you are going to respond please take pac's nuts out of your mouth before you begin typing)