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  • Super Cruiserweight
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    patrick ford criticising tyson/cus & advising weights

    D'Amato taught all his fighters the peak-a-boo approach, but unfortunately it's all he knew, he didn't know how to train fighters in other styles to suit their body structure. If you have high hips and a short torso, how are you suppose to use a peak-a-boo approach? You cannot truly develop that peak-a-boo style without a low centre of gravity, Patterson had it and Torres had it and Tyson had it, but many don't have it and many could not work with D'Amato. A lot of fighters left D'Amato after only a few months working with him. I felt that I was too tall be slipping and ducking under punches to create openings, I was a featherweight and I felt that I should be using my height and reach to an advantage against the shorter featherweights. I don't know why D'Amato couldn't see this.

    During the 1990's I realised that weight training is essential for boxers, assistance power exercises to workout each muscle group is vital if you want to progress in terms of power output (speed + strength). Mike Tyson in his prime only trained his biceps and shoulders, apart from loads of ground work like sit ups and push ups he only trained his biceps and shoulders, I know because I spent months at Catskill, they have light barbells lying on the floor for you to use after you've finished working on your boxing, they have no racks or benches. Mike Tyson could of been the best fighter ever had he worked out with weights properly, had he worked each muscle group with good assistance power exercises. Once each and every muscle group is developed properly, you can tap into extra power without sacrificing speed. If they can flex, control and seperate each muscle group through training, this muscle control can be tapped into for power and speed. Boxing is half seconds and half inches. With fat in the wrong places you cannot move or execute power. Believe me, if Mike Tyson worked out each muscle group with good assistance power exercises from an early age, he'd of won every fight by a knockout in round one. Tyson did start working more with weights during his time in jail, he developed more muscle groups and brought them up, but four years inactive is four years too long for you to get back into the swing of things in terms of boxing sharpness in actual boxing skill. Also, Tyson didn't use the correct approach because when he started using weights in jail and beyond his repetitions were too high and he preferred machinary over free weights which is wrong, machinary is set motion and in boxing there is no set motion because your opponent is always moving and your always moving. You have to prioritise free weights. So what Tyson was doing was building muscle quantity alone instead of building both muscle quantity and muscle power to tap into speed. It's a shame he never got it right.


    ps- patrick ford from gleasons gym said the above
    Last edited by Super Cruiserweight; 08-10-2005, 07:29 PM.
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    #2
    well everyone has their opinion. mike did just fine. hes the best heavyweight ever to some people and thats good enough. leave him be.

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    • Super Cruiserweight
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      #3
      this is da guy who said holyfield beat mike cos holyfield knew how to use weights and mike didnt

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      • jack_the_rippuh
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        Has Patrick Ford ever used roids? He seems to be obsessed with muscle...kind of like Mosley.

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        • JUYJUY
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          VERY interesting stuff man! Thanks!

          Believe it or not, the first man that Patrick Ford ever trained was Chris Eubank, and no I'm not making it up. Honestly, Ford started working with Eubank after Tyson took Eubank to Gleason's to spar Kevin Rooney (Eubank and Tyson both won 84 NYC Golden Gloves titles and met eachother there, amazingly Eubank had no trainer so Tyson introduced him to Gleason's where Eubank met Patrick Ford and Rooney's former sparring partner Maximo Pierret - Ford and Pierret then trained Eubank.. Tyson fought on Rooney's undercard at the start of his career, both Eubank and Rooney were welterweights, Eubank stayed with Tyson for a few weeks in New Jersey in 1985 when they were both fighting at the Atlantis Casino).

          So yeah, Chris Eubank was the first man that Patrick Ford ever trained (before he became muscle-mad I assume).

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          • JUYJUY
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            #6
            Is this the same Patrick Ford that went 15 rounds with Salvador Sanchez??

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            • Super Cruiserweight
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              #7
              he also fought pedroza

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              • catskills23
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                Supercruiserweight you seem to know a lot about tyson ? . I am serious when I ask this did tyson have the footspeed to get up on his toes and dance around the ring in other words did he have the feet to be fleet footed ? .

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                  Originally posted by catskills23
                  Supercruiserweight you seem to know a lot about tyson ? . I am serious when I ask this did tyson have the footspeed to get up on his toes and dance around the ring in other words did he have the feet to be fleet footed ? .
                  Catskills, you never give up.
                  I already told you he did.

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                    catskills23 , that was patrick ford saying that stuff about tyson not me.

                    tyson wasnt trained to get up on his toes and dance around and it wouldnt be effective for him either so i dont really understand the question,

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