Comments Thread For: Team Klitschko: 50-50 Deal on The Table For David Haye

[Carlisle]

Get a life kid.

You're so out of touch it's hilarious. Solis was offered a fight with Vitali early this year but said he wasn't ready at that time; but is fighting Ray Austin on December 17 in an eliminator to be the WBC mandatory; and if he wins that fight, he will fight Vitali next year. So you'll get your wish soon enough. However, Solis weighed 268½ in his last fight and was painfully slow. Unless he sorts out his love of hamburgers, you'll be calling him a bum soon enough, and will be trying to pretend you never rated him, which is the duplicitous way all haters behave.

[Dave Rado]

It's fair because it's the Klitschko's fault for signing the RTL deal, they signed the deal so should accept they made a mistake instead of wanting some of Haye's because it's better.

If you seriously think it's a mistake to sign a deal which allows 20 million of your fans on average to watch each of your fights, thus keeping boxing a mainstream sport in your country of residence, rather than going down the PPV route, which would only allow approx 1 million fans to watch each fight, and would turn boxing into a niche sport, as it already is in most other countries, then you're simply not a boxing fan. If you're a business fan rather than a boxing fan, you should find a Wall Street forum to post in. This forum is for boxing fans.

[Rick Grimes]

You're being ridiculous. For one thing, to say that a 50/50 split is unfair to Haye when Haye has barely made a mark in the division yet, having only fought one top 10 opponent so far and barely beaten him; when the Klitschkos have dominated the division for many years and cleaned it out; when Wlad is the lineal champion; and when they are universally ranked #1 and #2; is pure nuthuggery.

Second, RTL is terrestrial like the BBC or ITV. Wlad regularly gets TV audiences of more than 20 million on RTL, compared with the approx 1 million PPV audiences Haye has been getting. Wlad's live gates are normally around 20k, but for his last two fights have been around 50k, again, far more than Haye's live gates.

Because RTL isn't PPV, it's possible they don't pay as much as Sky PPV. Buit if Wlad prefers to have a 20 million TV audience and receive slightly less money, rather than a comparatively tiny audience and receive slightly more money, then he should be applauded for doing so. PPV is killing boxing, it's one of the main reasons the sport is no longer mainstream like it used to be.

In any case, you don't know whether or not RTL pays less than Sky. Wlad may have turned it down for a completely different reason, because in his position I'd have turned it down. The reason I'd have turned it down is simply that Haye had already been offered a straight 50/50 deal and turned it down. He then had the outrageous cheek to ask Wlad to ditch his contract with RTL. And then on top of that, he then had the cheek to make Wlad an "alternative offer" to the straight 50/50 one that he'd turned down.

Now if I was the lineal Heavyweight champion with 10 successful defences behind me (now 11), almost all against top 10 opponents; and if I was confronted by such outrageous negotiating tactics by someone who has so far only fought one top 10 Heavyweight and who only sc****d a majority decision in that fight, I'd have told Haye to take his "alternative offer" and shove it where the sun don't shine. And so would anyone else in Wlad's position. And what's more, you know that perfectly well. So why are you still trying to defend the indefensible?

If Wlad wants to accept less money to get more viewers good for him, that's his choice not Haye's. Wlad has a deal with RTL, Haye has a deal with Sky both should keep the money from their deals.

[Dave Rado]

Get a life kid.

Get a brain, kid. If you have nothing worthwhile to say, say nothing.

[rich6666]

You're being ridiculous. For one thing, to say that a 50/50 split is unfair to Haye when Haye has barely made a mark in the division yet, having only fought one top 10 opponent so far and barely beaten him; when the Klitschkos have dominated the division for many years and cleaned it out; when Wlad is the lineal champion; and when they are universally ranked #1 and #2; is pure nuthuggery.

Second, RTL is terrestrial like the BBC or ITV. Wlad regularly gets TV audiences of more than 20 million on RTL, compared with the approx 1 million PPV audiences Haye has been getting. Wlad's live gates are normally around 20k, but for his last two fights have been around 50k, again, far more than Haye's live gates.

Because RTL isn't PPV, it's possible they don't pay as much as Sky PPV. Buit if Wlad prefers to have a 20 million TV audience and receive slightly less money, rather than a comparatively tiny audience and receive slightly more money, then he should be applauded for doing so. PPV is killing boxing, it's one of the main reasons the sport is no longer mainstream like it used to be.

In any case, you don't know whether or not RTL pays less than Sky. Wlad may have turned it down for a completely different reason, because in his position I'd have turned it down. The reason I'd have turned it down is simply that Haye had already been offered a straight 50/50 deal and turned it down. He then had the outrageous cheek to ask Wlad to ditch his contract with RTL. And then on top of that, he then had the cheek to make Wlad an "alternative offer" to the straight 50/50 one that he'd turned down.

Now if I was the lineal Heavyweight champion with 10 successful defences behind me (now 11), almost all against top 10 opponents; and if I was confronted by such outrageous negotiating tactics by someone who has so far only fought one top 10 Heavyweight and who only sc****d a majority decision in that fight, I'd have told Haye to take his "alternative offer" and shove it where the sun don't shine. And so would anyone else in Wlad's position. And what's more, you know that perfectly well. So why are you still trying to defend the indefensible?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393024

according to this link the Klits make 3million Euro a fight.

Haye would make a lot more money fighting a bum in Harrison. I predict
750 000 - 900 000 ppv plus 50000 gate.

Klits need to man up and accept the generous offer from Haye.
Klis get 100% of the German revenue Haye gets 100% of the British revenue and share the rest 50 - 50.

[Dave Rado]

If Wlad wants to accept less money to get more viewers good for him, that's his choice not Haye's. Wlad has a deal with RTL, Haye has a deal with Sky both should keep the money from their deals.

Haye's deal with Sky will only make him huge revenues against Wlad because of who he's fighting. To say that a 50/50 deal across the board is not fair is pure nuthuggery.

As someone else implicitly asked you, do you really think Mayweather should get 100% of the US PPV revenues against Pac? Even the worst Mayweather nuthuggers have never gone that far.

[Carlisle]

Exactly. Anyone who's played a sport knows to be the best you have to beat the best. Unfortunately many people who like sports never competed and can only base it on statistical analysis and what they see in the media. Lennox Lewis cleaned out the HW division... For several years it's been a weak division... Winning in a weak division is not impressive.

The hype is coming from the same place as the hype over Lucian Bute.

Seems most fans think that ducking challenges and having an undefeated record makes a fighter automatically better than anyone with a loss.

[rich6666]

Haye's deal with Sky will only make him huge revenues against Wlad because of who he's fighting. To say that a 50/50 deal across the board is not fair is pure nuthuggery.

As someone else implicitly asked you, do you really think Mayweather should get 100% of the US PPV revenues against Pac? Even the worst Mayweather nuthuggers have never gone that far.

Using Mayweather and Pacman is not really a good analogy. Both fighters fight in America and have huge following.

Klits have never fought in the UK nor got any following whatsoever. Haye sells this fight to the non hardcore boxing fans, not the Klits.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Get a life kid.

Hey it's the resident racist MuhhamadM? Is that one of your many alts?

[Rick Grimes]

Haye's deal with Sky will only make him huge revenues against Wlad because of who he's fighting. To say that a 50/50 deal across the board is not fair is pure nuthuggery.

As someone else implicitly asked you, do you really think Mayweather should get 100% of the US PPV revenues against Pac? Even the worst Mayweather nuthuggers have never gone that far.

Pac is a big PPV seller in the US, Klitschko makes next to nothing from the UK. Haye would be a moron to accept 1.5 million Euro in exchange for 50% of the UK revenue. This fight would make huge revenues from Germany too if Klitschko didn't have that ****** deal. They signed that deal so shouldn't be *****ing because they make less money through their own mistakes.