Hagler or Benn??

[J !]

"He certainly has more natural talent than I had and punches harder than I ever did" - Marvin Hagler on Nigel Benn in 1989

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[TheEvilSaint]

hagler would beat benn down and **** him.

i dont see benn winning against hagler under any circumstance.

[JUYJUY]

The discussion in the fantasyfight section was about could Hagler beat the G-man and JUYJUY said he didn't think so

Here's what I said:

The counter-punching, power-punching cutey of around 1977/1978 was the best 160lb fighter that ever breathed air - you know, the one who Monzon wanted nothing to do with. Believe it or not, Marvin was a sweet counter-puncher back in the late 70's, and he was a right cutey. Hagler's reign of terror wasn't actually Hagler at his best! The Hagler that toppled Duran, Hearns and Mugabi was just a washed-up old slugger, Hagler had to rely on all-out attacking and all-out slugging in the 80's because he wasn't as sharp as he used to be, and he had the chin to sustain him for it too.

Gerald McClellan really was something, the guy weighed 180+ come fight night and remained chiseled, and he could knock anybody out with either hand. The G-Man also had a lot of natural talent in terms of timing, his timing was amazing, and he's one of the best three body-punchers ever, he circled his opponents and picked them off well, he measured his shots and rarely missed. If your asking me who would win, the Hagler that fought Hearns or McClellan when he had Manny Steward in his corner from 1990 to 1994, I would say McClellan.

Marvin would be relying on all-out slugging and against McClellan more than anybody else that is suicidal. Benn didn't do that, Benn stood in front of Gerald he didn't go at him, Benn kept his body moving and his head moving, Marvin did none of that, basically Marvin would be marauding himself into Gerald's punches! Gerald had the ultimate chin whereas Hearns chin was his big weakness, and Hagler doesn't punch anywhere near as hard as Benn.

Gerald's chin allowed him to absorb punches with no defence to put all his concentration into attacking moves when the time was right. Gerald never threw uppercuts, his speciality was straighter punches and he could use the ring well to manouveur himself into positions to find his range. I think the 1980's Hagler would be in a little trouble.

[JUYJUY]

I also said:

Have you forgotten how much everybody was drumming McClellan up as a legend in the making? He was never supposed to lose a boxing match for the rest of the 1990's, whenever Manny Steward is asked who would of won between Gerald and Roy Jones in the pro's he always says straight off that Gerald would win and basically says that it would of been an easy fight.


And I'd like to add:
Nigel Benn at his best was the best we've ever seen in a British ring, at his best he was something else.

[JUYJUY]

Benn would have had nightmares with Lenoard far too slick, for me the most interesting math up would have been with Tommy hearns, two vulnerable ****ers, that would have been a war and i couldnt predict who would win due to the styles..........hmmn whoever landed big enough early enough I reckon.

I disagree, Hearns is the one guy I just do not see Benn beating because he's all wrong for Nigel being tall and rangy. Benn was most vulnerable to straight punches, very suspect to straighter punches, and that's Tommy Hearns!

Leonard didn't exactly set the world alight at Super-Middle, yes he's a big name but he's human just like Hagler's human, none of them are God they are human. Hearns got KTFO by Barkley and it wasn't an illusion. Benn's punching power takes out a washed-up Leonard at Super-Middle.

[SliqueJab]

Hagler would have whup Benn. I believe Hagler can take his punch because Benn power is no better then Hearns while Benn would go down if he took Hagler, Benn has a suspect chin. Benn was a very underrated boxer though.

[JUYJUY]

Benn was a very underrated boxer though.

You can say that again, if you want to see a versatile champion at the top of his game then look no further than Nigel's domestic dust-ups against Nicky Piper and Henry Wharton (Piper was a high level fighter though not world-class, Wharton was a world-class power-puncher with a world-class chin, a world-class left-hook and a world-class heart). The point is that Benn dominated them, he got on top of them after a few rounds and just did not let them back in, and the main point is that Benn didn't waste a single shot in either of those fights! He was flawless! His level of performance had raised because he didn't waste punches by putting all his efforts into every punch (even those that were missing) as he did previously in his career, he did none of that and showed that he was more of a thinking fighter by 92-94. Benn was very mature on these nights, it wasn't the wild Benn of old it was a quality Benn, he worked the body alnight against Piper before finishing him and just boxed his way to victory against Wharton.

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Have you forgotten how much everybody was drumming McClellan up as a legend in the making? He was never supposed to lose a boxing match for the rest of the 1990's, whenever Manny Steward is asked who would of won between Gerald and Roy Jones in the pro's he always says straight off that Gerald would win and basically says that it would of been an easy fight.

yes but every puncher is alwys perceived as unbeatable, a legend, and so on and so forth (see foreman, tyson,...), until they find someone to beat them. g-man was no different

benn was extemely lucky to get out of round 1 with gman

as for manny steward opinion... come on juy juy. you know he was gman trainer. what would you expect him to say?

[jack_the_rippuh]

yes but every puncher is alwys perceived as unbeatable, a legend, and so on and so forth (see foreman, tyson,...), until they find someone to beat them. g-man was no different

benn was extemely lucky to get out of round 1 with gman

as for manny steward opinion... come on juy juy. you know he was gman trainer. what would you expect him to say?

Exactly!
He said the same thing about Thomas Hearns.
He said he thinks Thomas Hearns would have given Jones problems and possibly would have beaten Jones.

[trinidadpr87]

Hagler would probably tko Benn in the later rounds.The only middleweight i could see beating Hagler is Roy Jones jr.