Hagler or Benn??

[masterdirector]

Benn is more powerful than Hagler I think. I can't imagine that Hagler would've been equal in power, at least from what I've seen. Benn was naturally bigger, so this should be no surprise. Hagler didn't lose to someone like Steve Collins in such horrible fashion.

I think Hearns would be a more appropriate comparison to Benn actually. There's little doubt in my mind that Benn would've destroyed Hearns just from Benn's brutal power and speed, not to mention Hearns' chin.

Hearns lost two matches to a clearly less gifted Iran Barkley. Barkley was the early 90s Mayorga.

Steve Collins definitely wasn't as good as a more prime Benn, although Benn was still only 32 when he lost to Collins both times.

I think Hearns and Hagler were both better than Benn, but I'd pick Benn to beat Hearns for sure. Hagler over Benn.

Jones Jr. would beat all their asses.

[Easy-E]

Hagler would probably tko Benn in the later rounds.The only middleweight i could see beating Hagler is Roy Jones jr.

i agree that hagler would win the fight, and imo is the greatest middleweight of all time.
however, saying that rjj would be the one who could beat hagler is well...not the case. although i often disagree with juyjuy in reagards to many things, he is correct and knows his stuff about many underrated british boxers. i also have to agree with him in the rjj debate. rjj is one of my fav boxers, but is nowhere near hagler, and im sorry to say, would have been defeated by some of the british greats

[SnoopySmurf]

JuyJuy mabe be Eubank's cheerleader but JuyJuy knows his boxing. I knew he'd pick Hagler to edge out Benn despite his fondness for UK fighters.

He opened my eyes to Eubanks. I knew about Benn. Who didn't? But Eubanks was an enigma to me. Then again, I was in college during his reign so I had little time for boxing outside of a Tyson fight.

[Easy-E]

yeah he knows his ****, and at least admits that he nut hugs certian (british) boxers, where most people wont

[JUYJUY]

Benn is more powerful than Hagler I think. I can't imagine that Hagler would've been equal in power, at least from what I've seen. Benn was naturally bigger, so this should be no surprise. Hagler didn't lose to someone like Steve Collins in such horrible fashion.

I think Hearns would be a more appropriate comparison to Benn actually. There's little doubt in my mind that Benn would've destroyed Hearns just from Benn's brutal power and speed, not to mention Hearns' chin.

Hearns lost two matches to a clearly less gifted Iran Barkley. Barkley was the early 90s Mayorga.

Steve Collins definitely wasn't as good as a more prime Benn, although Benn was still only 32 when he lost to Collins both times.

I think Hearns and Hagler were both better than Benn, but I'd pick Benn to beat Hearns for sure. Hagler over Benn.

Jones Jr. would beat all their asses.

Steve Collins sparred Marvin Hagler hundreds of times, they trained at the same gym in the 80's, and it's interesting that Stevie says that Hagler was never a good sparrer and that it wasn't until the bell rang on fight night that something would come over him. Basically Stevie said that him and Robbie Sims would equal Hagler in sparring, but admits that he'd of probably been OWNED if he ever fought him where it mattered.

As for Benn losing to Collins, it was expected, Benn was clearly a shadow of his former self Post-McClellan and had a shadow on the brain Post-McClellan. Benn's last five fights were like a totally different Benn, he was done. Post-McClellan he appeared slow, easy to hit, and his own punches were often depressingly out of range. The fight took way too much out of Benn both mentally and physically, people don't realise that Benn was in a terrible state at the hospital too with no end of injuries and people were worried about him because he couldn't speak for a while. But those Collins fights were suprising because Benn actually did better than expected, he put a good fight in both fights and both fights were equal, Benn broke his ankle in the first fight and had to pull out, in the second fight he was hurting Collins with hard shots but retired on his stool I don't think Benn quit either time, he had broken his ankle in the first fight so what was he supposed to do? The second fight, Benn just could not bring himself to fight anymore, he said to his cornermen "I can't do it anymore, I feel like a fairy, I'm done, I just can't do it anymore, no more fight left in me", he'd slumped onto his stool at the end of round six and it looked like a chore to him (much like Tyson against McBride, and it's weird because Steve Collins' brother trained McBride for his win over Tyson).

As for Benn beating Hearns, I'd say he'd stand not much chance if it was the Benn from 1987-1991 or the Benn from 1995-1996. Against McClellan, Benn was able to escape being hit cleanly many times because McClellan measured his shots and pulled his arm back and so Benn could see them coming, whereas Hearns never would pull his arm back or measure his shots, he just let them go. Benn from 1992-1994 with Jimmy Tibbs in his corner and a sharper defence may stand a good chance against Hearns, but it's very hard for me to visualise Benn beating Hearns just like it's very hard for me to visualise Jones beating McClellan. I can easily visualise Hearns knocking Benn with a right cross and McClellan knocking out Jones with a right cross. I just think that Hearns is wrong for Benn, being tall and rangy with unexpected straight punches.. that's Benn's nightmare.

[Cletus Funk]

Steve Collins sparred Marvin Hagler hundreds of times, they trained at the same gym in the 80's, and it's interesting that Stevie says that Hagler was never a good sparrer and that it wasn't until the bell rang on fight night that something would come over him. Basically Stevie said that him and Robbie Sims would equal Hagler in sparring, but admits that he'd of probably been OWNED if he ever fought him where it mattered.

As for Benn losing to Collins, it was expected, Benn was clearly a shadow of his former self Post-McClellan and had a shadow on the brain Post-McClellan. Benn's last five fights were like a totally different Benn, he was done. Post-McClellan he appeared slow, easy to hit, and his own punches were often depressingly out of range. The fight took way too much out of Benn both mentally and physically, people don't realise that Benn was in a terrible state at the hospital too with no end of injuries and people were worried about him because he couldn't speak for a while. But those Collins fights were suprising because Benn actually did better than expected, he put a good fight in both fights and both fights were equal, Benn broke his ankle in the first fight and had to pull out, in the second fight he was hurting Collins with hard shots but retired on his stool I don't think Benn quit either time, he had broken his ankle in the first fight so what was he supposed to do? The second fight, Benn just could not bring himself to fight anymore, he said to his cornermen "I can't do it anymore, I feel like a fairy, I'm done, I just can't do it anymore, no more fight left in me", he'd slumped onto his stool at the end of round six and it looked like a chore to him (much like Tyson against McBride, and it's weird because Steve Collins' brother trained McBride for his win over Tyson).

As for Benn beating Hearns, I'd say he'd stand not much chance if it was the Benn from 1987-1991 or the Benn from 1995-1996. Against McClellan, Benn was able to escape being hit cleanly many times because McClellan measured his shots and pulled his arm back and so Benn could see them coming, whereas Hearns never would pull his arm back or measure his shots, he just let them go. Benn from 1992-1994 with Jimmy Tibbs in his corner and a sharper defence may stand a good chance against Hearns, but it's very hard for me to visualise Benn beating Hearns just like it's very hard for me to visualise Jones beating McClellan. I can easily visualise Hearns knocking Benn with a right cross and McClellan knocking out Jones with a right cross. I just think that Hearns is wrong for Benn, being tall and rangy with unexpected straight punches.. that's Benn's nightmare.

Totally agree. Hearns would have to fight Benn's fight to lose, and even then he'd still have a chance. A boxing Hearns puts Benn away more times than not.

[Tha Greatest]

JabsRstiff and JuyJuy...

Biggest boxing experts I know..

To you people that thing JuyJuy is biased...he isn't at all, he might love Benn and Eubank, but everything he says are "facts."

I appreciate everything he says and learned lots from him and jabRstiff...


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[KJ]

Benn in the years 1987-1991 and 1995-1996 yes I agree. But when Benn was working with Jimmy Tibbs in 1992, 1993 and 1994 he had an awesome defence, his upper body was moving from side to side constantly and he was comfortable with it and very awkward to hit cleanly. His defence with Tibbs in his corner was a little better than the old Hagler's.

Nigel?! is that you?
Nice to see you on this forum!

[Parodius]

Hagler had the greatest chin I ever seen in boxing. Thomas Hearns broke his hand when he hit Hagler on the head, Hearns said that Haglers head is made of steel. Hagler would've KO Benn if they ever fought. Hagler is the greatest middleweight I ever seen. A true legend!

[J !]

I disagree, Hearns is the one guy I just do not see Benn beating because he's all wrong for Nigel being tall and rangy. Benn was most vulnerable to straight punches, very suspect to straighter punches, and that's Tommy Hearns!

Leonard didn't exactly set the world alight at Super-Middle, yes he's a big name but he's human just like Hagler's human, none of them are God they are human. Hearns got KTFO by Barkley and it wasn't an illusion. Benn's punching power takes out a washed-up Leonard at Super-Middle.

FIRST OFF. NICE TO TALK TO YUO, I NEVER REALLY HAD A BEEF WITH YOU TO BE HONEST AND WAS A BEING A BIT OF A PRICK BUT SO WERE YOU BUT FOR MY PART, SORRY.

personally i reckon Hearns propensity to get involved ina war against Nige would possibly come back to ahunt him.

Yes a washed up leonard struggles with Nige but not a prime, think that all discussion when discussing GREAT champs should be based on thier prime year sunless they were extremely short.